Template:Did you know nominations/Konstantin Krasavin
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The result was: promoted by —Bruce1eetalk 08:11, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Konstantin Krasavin
[edit]- ... that despite sustaining over 100 holes in his aircraft during a dogfight at Makarovo in 1942, Soviet Air Forces pilot Konstantin Krasavin survived and went on to win the title of Hero of the Soviet Union?
Created/expanded by LGF1992UK (talk). Self nom at 01:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Newness, length, and hook are all fine. However, there are only two sources, both in Russian – not sure what the rules are on this, but I thought it might be worth pointing that out. Luckily I can read Russian :) and most of the information does appear to come straight from those sources, but there's a discrepancy in birthdate between them and the article (born May 20th according to the sources, May 27th according to article). I'm guessing there might be other discrepancies, but it will be hard for non-Russian-speakers to catch them... Accedietalk to me 03:26, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- I can read Russian (I study it for my degree) but you're right on the source discrepancy. The problem with articles such as this is that there's very few sources in English so I think it's unreasonable to expect provision of English-language sources. I'll do some more reading into it and see what I can do about establishing a more authoritative date of birth. LGF1992UK (talk) 13:48, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, no worries. I'm not an experienced DYK reviewer, so I'm not sure what's acceptable here in terms of non-EN sources. I tried to find him on RU, figuring there might at least be a book cited there, but no luck – he doesn't have an article. FWIW, it's a solid, well-written article and a neat hook :) Accedietalk to me 02:01, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- There's no problems with using non-English sources, especially if there's no English ones out there - so eventually we can pass it, assuming good faith in the editor and the refs used (by marking it with {{subst:DYKtickAGF}}).
- But there are still a couple of things to sort out - all the paragraphs in the main body text need to have an inline citation (although I know no Russian, google translate tells me that all the info appears to be in the sources you used - but I'll let you put in the citations so I don't make any mistakes). Also it is tagged as being an orphan, it would be good if you could make wikilinks to this article from other articles (3 or more) - perhaps as a participant in an event, a medal winner, or lists such as List of Russian aviators (but this isn't a requirement to pass DYK). Other than these it is a very good and interesting article! Cheers, Zangar (talk) 22:43, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- You will also need to do a QPQ review as you have over 5 DYK credits. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 22:50, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Each paragraph needs a citation to one of the books. Still needed QPQ. Secretlondon (talk) 04:02, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Aside from one 15-minute session on July 6, which was not on this nomination or article, LGF1992UK has not edited on Wikipedia since June 20, and history shows only sporadic activity this year. Since both citations and QPQ are still undone, it may be necessary to let this one go, though it seems a shame to do so. BlueMoonset (talk) 12:20, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
- IMO, we should let the QPQ requirement slide in this case. The user has exactly 5 previous DYKs, the most recent of which was 2-1/2 years ago. DYK has changed dramatically since then, so it's not reasonable to consider this user an experienced DYKer. However, the article needs more footnotes. --Orlady (talk) 14:36, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- That seems a fair way to move forward, as long as we can get those citations. Zangar (talk) 15:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Agreed that QPQ can be waived. Can we set a deadline of no later than July 19 for the citations, however? Three weeks from the first request for them seems extremely generous. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:24, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks to Óðinn for improving the article. The one-sentence paragraph about his wartime medals is still unsourced. It appears to be supported by this external link website, but I imagine that one of the sources I can't translate is better. --Orlady (talk) 15:52, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
