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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:13, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

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Kirovs Lipmans

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  • ... that Latvian businessman Kirovs Lipmans has the personal motto, "If I promise something, I will do it"? [1][2]

5x expanded by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 18:31, 2 September 2021 (UTC).

  • Full review to follow, but given the article going to into great detail into his hockey activities, I'm surprised that no hook was proposed around that. The hook is okay, but he's not the only person (real or fictional) I've heard having that motto, so I'd highly suggested alternate hooks as well. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:52, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
  • I feel that hooks which focus on ice hockey are less interesting to a broad audience and generate fewer page views than personal or business life. I will come back in a few days when I have more to say. Anyone else is welcome to suggest hooks. Flibirigit (talk) 19:28, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
The smelting hook sounds okay, but smelting probably needs to be wikilinked for the benefit of those unfamiliar with the word. Not really a fan of the other suggestion since international readers may not be as familiar with the names. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:22, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
If it helps, I have no idea who those people are. I just thought it was unusual to be a hockey executive and sponsor singing competitions. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 00:58, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the proposals. I'm still waiting for Flibirigit's response before proceeding with the review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:42, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
I have answered the concern why no hockey hook was proposed. Other adequate hooks have been proposed by User:HickoryOughtShirt?4. The next logical step is a full review of all DYK criteria. I am unsure why the reviewer is waiting. As per my previous comment, I will return when I have more to say. Flibirigit (talk) 19:10, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Full review still needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • ALT3: ... that ice hockey executive Kirovs Lipmans was once the second richest person in Latvia? [3]
  • ALT4: ... that ice hockey executive Kirovs Lipmans also oversaw metallurgy and pharmaceutical companies? [4]
  • ALT5: ... that Latvian businessman Kirovs Lipmans transitioned Grindeks into a pharmaceutical company with 90 per cent of its products exported and a presence in European, Asian and American markets? [5]
  • ALT6: ... that despite political changes in Latvia during the 1990s, businessman Kirovs Lipmans remained to "do [his] best to make this a good and rich country"? [6]
  • I have proposed new hooks above. I have struck one word from ALT1 for better accuracy. I have struck ALT2 and replaced it with ALT4. A full review is still needed. Flibirigit (talk) 20:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Approving ALT3 and ALT4, with a preference for ALT3. Nice work! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:26, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

  • I appreciate that a review of DYK criteria has been completed. I request that a second opinion be given on ALT0 and ALT1. I also request that ALT5 and ALT6 be reviewed before this nomination goes further. Flibirigit (talk) 15:59, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
  • @Flibirigit: Hi! sorry, I should've brought this up. ALTs 0, 5, and 6 raise neutrality questions for me, especially because there are good alternatives. ALT1 frankly isn't that interesting for me, so I'd prefer ALTs 3 or 4. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 18:06, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
  • I have struck ALT1 since multiple reviewers feel it is not interesting. I request more details as to why ALT0, ALT5 and ALT6 are perceived as not neutral, and constructive feedback on how to improve those hooks. Flibirigit (talk) 20:04, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
  • @Flibirigit: It's not the biggest roadblock, but ALTs 0 and 6 are just airing what Lipmans wants to say about himself to a large audience, which I think is unfairly promotional. ALT5 only has value as far as it's promotional, so I don't see a reason to run it over ALT3. As for improving them, I don't think there's much of an avenue for that, although I understand the notion. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 22:48, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
  • @Theleekycauldron: I appreciate the more thorough explanation to understand a different point of view. I choose not to contest the nomination any further and accept the review, if you agree. Flibirigit (talk) 16:53, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Agree with you i do! I'm sorry I didn't have better news on that one, although I really appreciate how willing you were to work with me. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:48, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
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