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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 19:45, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

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Kim E. Nielsen

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Moved to mainspace by Thriley (talk), Penny Richards (talk), and Dodger67 (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 15:47, 10 April 2022 (UTC).

  • the article is much too skimpy at the moment, under 1500 chars without the quotes. Kingoflettuce (talk) 14:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
    I'll try to do some expansion in the coming days. Thriley (talk) 18:06, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
    @Thriley: Coming days has become over a month. Please address the concerns as soon as possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:44, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
It looks ready to me. Thriley (talk) 06:17, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
  • As mentioned it is clearly under 1.5k without the quotes and nothing has changed since my last comment. And why did you commit to expansion if you felt it was ready all along? Kingoflettuce (talk) 09:43, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
  • The DYK tool says,"Prose size (text only): 1680 characters (271 words) "readable prose size"" Isn't that the standard we use? --evrik (talk) 15:56, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
  • @Evrik and Thriley: It is; however, DYK rules exclude copied material such as quotes from the count. Thus, if an article has over 1,500 characters but removing copied material brings it below 1,500, it would not be eligible for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:37, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5 and Thriley: We should stick with the DYK tool standard and move on. --evrik (talk) 00:42, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Criterion 2d at WP:DYK explicitly says that copied/paraphrased content does not count towards the 1,500 character count. If the article character count is above 1,500 even without the copied/paraphrased content then it doesn't matter, this is just clarifying the point. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:42, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Looking at Wikipedia:Did_you_know#Eligibility_criteria, 2d says, "In practice, articles longer than 1,500 characters may still be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting reviewers." 2a says tha using the DYK tool is the most accurate. Right now, the DYK tool says, "2868 characters (459 words) "readable prose size"'". Narutolovehinata5, I'm really not sure what the issue is. --evrik (talk) 19:38, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Alt1 "... that Kim E. Nielsen trained as historian of women and politics, and came to disability history and studies via her discovery of Helen Keller's political life?"Kim Nielsen: A Disability History Of The United States". WORT. 2012-11-23.
  • --evrik (talk) 22:25, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Ah, I mentioned the wrong criterion. I was actually talking about 2b, which states However, because the emphasis at DYK is on new and original content, text copied verbatim from public domain sources, or which closely paraphrases such sources, is excluded both from the 1,500 minimum character count for new articles, and from the ×5 expansion count for ×5 expanded articles. It refers mainly to public domain sources, but from experience even quoting copyrighted sources has also had that criterion applied in the past. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:08, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
  • According to DYK Check, there are 2868 characters. Counting the characters in the quoted text gives me 397. So there’s more than 1500 non quoted characters according to DYK Check. Thriley (talk) 03:11, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
  • --evrik (talk) 03:30, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Apologies for the delay, this looks alright now, although I do think there's still quite some padding/puffery. Long and new enough, hook fact is interesting albeit descriptive, no discernable copyvio, QPQ done. AGF on paywalled sources. Cheers, Kingoflettuce (talk) 22:54, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
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