Template:Did you know nominations/Khalili Collections
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 13:06, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Promoted by Cwmhiraeth
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Khalili Collections
... that the Khalili Collections comprise some 35,000 works of art, assembled by Nasser D. Khalili over five decades?[1]
- Reviewed: William Smith (antiquary), The Annals of University College
- Comment: Uses an existing free-content text, but adds enough original text to qualify. Moved to mainspace in this edit
Moved to mainspace by MartinPoulter (talk). Self-nominated at 17:32, 17 September 2019 (UTC).
- ALT1: ... that the Khalili Collections (manuscript folio pictured) comprise some 35,000 works of art assembled by Nasser D. Khalili over five decades? [2] [3] MartinPoulter (talk) 10:25, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. Images in article are freely licensed; why don't you nominate one of them for DYK?- I'm not sure how to determine that 1500 characters of this is not from the public domain source. Earwig's gives me a 98 percent copyvio; most of the text seems to be copied from that public domain source.
- The hook fact about the size of the collection is verified and cited inline, but the fact about the five decades does not have an inline cite. I also added "citation needed" tags to several paragraphs and facts, per Rule D2. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 19:20, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Thanks for reviewing, and sorry that it has taken so long to get back to you. You're right that the majority of the article is taken from a free source (so a copy but not a copyright violation). The rule about DYK eligibility is not about the proportion of the text, but the amount of added text. A large part of the lede and a large part of the bulk of the section on the Islamic Art collection is original text not present in the source document. If you like, I could set out here all the text which is original. The British Museum catalogue (ref 1) says that the activity of building the collection began in 1970, so there are five decades in which that has been happening. I think the same statement can be supported with other refs if necessary. Thanks especially for suggesting I include an image. I've added an ALT hook with an image, but I'm undecided if the text connecting the hook to the image makes the whole thing less elegant. MartinPoulter (talk) 10:25, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- PS. I found this ref which begins a sentence "The Khalili Collections, began by the British-Iranian scholar, collector and philanthropist Prof Khalili five decades ago, had acquired one vase...". I've not yet added that ref but it will be useful for the article. If you like I could add it to back up the first sentence? MartinPoulter (talk) 10:45, 26 September 2019 (UTC) I'll also work in teh next couple of days on the missing citations. As you've seen, a large number of books have been published about these collections, but it's taking some time to find which ones are the source for each statement. MartinPoulter (talk) 10:57, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
- @MartinPoulter: yes, I would like to see the uncopied text. You can also add the new ref you found. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:37, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Here's the substantive original text that was in the article when it was moved to mainspace, collapsed to save space on the nominations index.
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The various collections show two themes common to private collections: collecting examples of the highest artistic merit and forming complete series.
It was described in 1998 as "one of the largest and most representative collections of Quranic manuscripts in the world" and is the largest private collection. Khalili is motivated by a belief that Islamic art is the most beautiful, yet has been underappreciated by the wider world. The collection has been described as presenting art works of interest to Westerners without abstracting them away from the aesthetic standards of Islamic culture. Khalili defines Islamic art as "art produced by Muslim artists for Muslim patrons", and only a minority of the items have an explicitly religious purpose. The ceramic collection, numbering around 2,000 items, has been described as particularly strong in pottery of the Timurid era and also pottery of pre-Mongol Bamiyan. The jewellery collection includes more than 600 rings, many purely decorative but some with religious inscriptions or having a secular function, such as signet rings. Around two hundred objects relate to medieval Islamic science and medicine, including astronomical instruments for orienting towards Mecca, scales and weights, and supposedly magical items intended for medical use. This collection was the basis in 2008 for the first comprehensive exhibition of Islamic art to be staged in the Middle East, at the Emirates Palace in Abu Dhabi. This was also the largest exhibition of Islamic art held anywhere up to that date. |
There are other bits of additional text, like the introductory sentences for the lists, and sentences that have been extended with extra clauses, but this is the meat. MartinPoulter (talk) 20:44, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
