Template:Did you know nominations/Kessel Run

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by BlueMoonset talk 23:23, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
The article has been tagged with both COI and POV templates for over three weeks, and the issues raised here remain unaddressed. Closing nomination as unsuccessful.

Kessel Run

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Kessel Run logo

... that Kessel Run (logo pictured) began by replacing the Thumper, the Gonker, and the Gonkulator? Source: https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1009063340 "There's a Thumper who's in charge of creating the master air attack planning tool kit. And there's a Gonker who enters the data into a spreadsheet called... The gonkulator"; https://www.fastcompany.com/40588729/the-air-force-learned-to-code-and-saved-the-pentagon-millions corrects the articles to "the" and the capitalization of the last word.
- ALT1: ... that Kessel Run inspired Kobayashi Maru? Source: https://www.airandspaceforces.com/Kessel-Runs-Success-Spurs-Two-New-Software-Coding-Teams/ "More software-coding teams are popping up around the Air Force to build on the success of Kessel Run in Boston, the service’s acquisition executive said Friday....“We just stood up our second,” he said of Kobayashi Maru. "
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Freedomland U.S.A.
- Comment: CoI note.

Created by GRuban (talk). Self-nominated at 11:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kessel Run; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Making this clear to any reviewer since the comment is somewhat easy to miss: the nominator is currently employed by the subject. More information can be read at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Note on similar case. The outcome of the nomination will be left to consensus. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:34, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- For reference that discussion was archived to Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_195#Note_on_similar_case. Legoktm (talk) 03:34, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't think this article is acceptable in its current form. There's far too much puffery (e.g. repeatedly describing agile as "modern") or pure jargon (e.g. they would just do the tanker whiteboard). Then there's a section titled "AgileAF" with the sentence The development team would later adopt the hashtag #AgileAF - the AF, they assure, stands for Air Force. - I don't see how that's encyclopedic writing at all. I could point out more but I don't think it's necessary.

I'll be honest that I had a tough time trying to figure out which sources were actually reliable sources, and which were outlets of the US government, and then some are "news sites" run by military contractors (e.g. GovDevSecOpsHub). Normally I would've marked this as needing work and provided a list of suggested improvements or needed fixes, but this is a COI article with standard COI problems. Legoktm (talk) 03:34, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

@Legoktm: The source - FastCompany - uses the words modern. Sanders describes the kind of iteration inherent to modern software development as a fundamental change in the DoD’s approach to software acquisition ; That’s nothing more than best practices for modern software development, ; “The DoD violates pretty much every rule in modern product development,” Schmidt told U.S. Congress recently. Which parts of "They would just do the tanker whiteboard" is jargon? tanker? whiteboard? The terms are described in depth in the paragraphs above. The "agileAF" tag is a big deal, in multiple sources. "Not encyclopedic writing" is debatable; more important "brilliant prose" isn't a DYK criterion, this isn't a FA candidate. There are a number of primary sources, but only used for noncontroversial WP:ABOUTSELF; most of the sources like Defense News and Federal Computer Week are independent, they just specialize in covering military and government like Car and Driver specializes in covering autos. The two most used sources by far are FastCompany and Rough Translation, which don't even specialize in covering military and government. --GRuban (talk) 14:35, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

The FastCompany article doesn't describe agile as modern (n.b. agile is 20+ years old). "tanker whiteboard" together is jargon. You say that it's "described in depth in the paragraphs above", but it's the first use of the word "tanker" on the page.

"AgileAF" is basically a marketing hashtag/slogan. It's mentioned once in FastCompany and not at all in Rough Translation - it's not appropriate as a section header nor is the prose appropriate. Legoktm (talk) 05:51, 18 October 2023 (UTC)