Template:Did you know nominations/Kenneth Petty
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by 97198 (talk) 10:30, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Deleted at AFD. 97198 (talk) 10:30, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
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Kenneth Petty
- ... that Kenneth Petty is married to Trinidadian rapper Nicki Minaj? Source: NME
- Reviewed: Not needed, fourth nomination
Converted from a redirect by VersaceSpace (talk). Self-nominated at 20:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC).
Hooks should not focus on negative aspects about living people. To be honest I doubt this subject's notability and don't think the article will be usable for DYK at all given that the entire article bar 3 sentences focuses on legal charges. 97198 (talk) 13:43, 4 July 2022 (UTC)- 97198, I don't see the issue with the article being mostly negative, most coverage on this person looks pretty similar as far as tone goes. --VersaceSpace 🌃 14:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- The rule does not necessarily apply to the article but rather the hook. DYK's reviewing guide says that hooks should not
focus unduly on negative aspects of living people
, even if that's the thing they're known for. It's fairly well-known that Minaj's husband is a registered sex offender, that doesn't mean we should turn that into a DYK hook. The hook basically says "did you know that Nicki Minaj married a sex offender?", which while true, is still unduly negative on Petty's part. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:28, 9 July 2022 (UTC)- In that case, I would accept a failure for the nomination, unless one of you think it would be accepted if I removed the 'registered sex offender' part of the hook. --VersaceSpace 🌃 00:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Given that Nicki Minaj is quite famous internationally, I think the hook being simplified to simply "... that Kenneth Petty is married to Nicki Minaj?" could work. I have no opinion on the article itself, just the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:39, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Since the original hook was blatantly against the rules, I've simply rephrased the original hook instead of creating an ALT. Hopefully that's ok. --VersaceSpace 🌃 00:53, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Given that Nicki Minaj is quite famous internationally, I think the hook being simplified to simply "... that Kenneth Petty is married to Nicki Minaj?" could work. I have no opinion on the article itself, just the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:39, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- In that case, I would accept a failure for the nomination, unless one of you think it would be accepted if I removed the 'registered sex offender' part of the hook. --VersaceSpace 🌃 00:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- The rule does not necessarily apply to the article but rather the hook. DYK's reviewing guide says that hooks should not
I agree that the original hook was against BLP, but I'm not sure if the new hook is interesting enough (X is married to Y would be more interesting if he were independently notable). Having looked at the article, I couldn't find any alternatives either. @VersaceSpace: Can you think of any alternative hooks? BuySomeApples (talk) 23:38, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @BuySomeApples: As a non-fan of the two of them, I am unconvinced that being married to Nicki Minaj is not an interesting hook. That would make a lot of people click on an article, which is really the point of a hook anyway. --VersaceSpace 🌃 23:46, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- That's a good point @VersaceSpace:! The page meets length requirements and the sourcing looks good. Is it possible to add more information about Petty to the page? I understand if there's not much more, but I don't know how I feel about promoting an article that's 95% about the SA incident to the front page. BuySomeApples (talk) 12:40, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @BuySomeApples: I, of course, would not be opposed to adding more information, but all the sources really say the same thing (including ones not in the article), and we both know what that is. Some squeeze out an extra Petty was convicted of manslaughter in 2006 (yay, more legal stuff) or even the rare detail about his life. Everything of importance about this man has already been said (he's married to Minaj and he's a registered sex offender), and that's a shame but its not a BLP issue. There's many BLPs on bad people, and I'm sure they find their way to DYK all the time. --VersaceSpace 🌃 13:45, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
@VersaceSpace: I wasn't so much worried about the BLP thing as I was notability buuut that's also outside the scope of DYK. I'm gonna pass this since it seems to meet all the DYK criteria (hook's all good, long enough, no copyvio) and the sources are all reliable. BuySomeApples (talk) 20:39, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you! --VersaceSpace 🌃 20:44, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @BuySomeApples: I, of course, would not be opposed to adding more information, but all the sources really say the same thing (including ones not in the article), and we both know what that is. Some squeeze out an extra Petty was convicted of manslaughter in 2006 (yay, more legal stuff) or even the rare detail about his life. Everything of importance about this man has already been said (he's married to Minaj and he's a registered sex offender), and that's a shame but its not a BLP issue. There's many BLPs on bad people, and I'm sure they find their way to DYK all the time. --VersaceSpace 🌃 13:45, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- That's a good point @VersaceSpace:! The page meets length requirements and the sourcing looks good. Is it possible to add more information about Petty to the page? I understand if there's not much more, but I don't know how I feel about promoting an article that's 95% about the SA incident to the front page. BuySomeApples (talk) 12:40, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
