Template:Did you know nominations/Keith Sebelius

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:19, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Keith Sebelius

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• ... that Keith Sebelius, the father-in-law of former Democratic Governor of Kansas Kathleen Sebelius, was a Republican member of the House of Representatives who had a lake named in his honor?

5x expanded by Jon698 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:05, 7 February 2020 (UTC).

• [A] Republican member of the House of Representatives who had a lake named in his honor, please. Although there can be very understandable motives for expanding the use of the explicitly accusative. -- Hoary (talk) 08:37, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

• The article is a recent 5x expansion, long enough, neutral, and well referenced. The hook is interesting and partly supported by supplied sources. However, her daughter-in-law is not mentioned anywhere in the article (except the infobox without a source), and his defeat by Bob Dole needs a source. No copyvio detected. QPQ has not been done, but Jon698 appears to have had only one DYK credit so far and is exempt from the QPQ requirement. @Hoary: Interesting Slate article! Whom would've thought? -Zanhe (talk) 02:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

• @Zanhe: I have just added the citations for his defeat to Bob Dole in 1960 and for his relation to Kathleen Sebelius. - Jon698 (talk) 02:43, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks, but the infobox should be a summary of information that is already mentioned in the article prose. I suggest adding a "family" section with brief info about his wife, sons, and daughter-in-law. -Zanhe (talk) 05:08, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
• @Zanhe: I just added the information. - Jon698 (talk) 05:46, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

• Sorry to be so picky, but all hook facts need to be present in the article, so the fact that Kathleen Sebelius was the former Democratic Governor of Kansas needs to be added as well. -Zanhe (talk) 08:43, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

• @Zanhe: Done! - Jon698 (talk) 07:23, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

• I've added a source for the hook fact, now good to go. -Zanhe (talk) 10:13, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but notability is not inherited, so I think we could skip mention of his daughter-in-law. I agree with Hoary that the lake part is also weak. Do you have another hook idea? Yoninah (talk) 01:29, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, your mention of me puzzles me. I don't think I've said that the lake part was weak. I haven't thought that. My comment near the very top probably makes little sense now, because it was about the "hook" as originally provided. This read "[...] whom had a lake named in his honor"; after I posted my comment, "whom" was silently amended. I do have one worry about this article: the mention of the letter to Nixon makes little sense to me. I brought this up on the article's talk page six days ago, but there hasn't been any response. The Nixon letter stuff is sourced to a newspaper article that's a kind of word salad; if there's no other, more intelligible source, then I'd suggest simply removing it. -- Hoary (talk) 01:44, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: I have three ideas for a hook. Either

• ALT1: ... that Keith Sebelius had a lake named in his honor at a banquet attended by President-elect Ronald Reagan and former President Gerald Ford?
• ALT2: ... that Keith Sebelius voted against the War Powers Resolution, but supported capping the United States military at 400,000 troops overseas?
• ALT3:... that Keith Sebelius first said "I frankly believe the man is telling the truth", but later said that "it would be damn close to an impeachable offense" if Nixon did not comply with United States v. Nixon?

• @Jon698: Thank you for the alts. ALT2 is very good IMO, ALT1 a little weaker; ALT1 also needs to say that they were a former president and president-elect. Both ALT1 and ALT2 are verified and cited inline. I have struck ALT3 for wordiness. After looking over the article, I have tagged the lead for being too short; please add some more detail about his notability or accomplishments to satisfy WP:LEAD. Yoninah (talk) 22:28, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: Done. Edited the lead of the article. Jon698 (talk) 23:12, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

• @Jon698: thank you. I just noticed there is one lingering issue on the talk page, having to do with the hook fact I just struck. Could you take care of that too please? Yoninah (talk) 00:05, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
• @Yoninah: @Hoary: Added more sources for the Nixon letter and reworded it. Jon698 (talk) 00:32, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

• Yes, it's now fixed. Thank you. -- Hoary (talk) 00:52, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

• Great. I'm going ahead and approving ALT2, which is verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Zanhe. Thank you both, Jon698 and Hoary, for your efforts here. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 01:21, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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