Template:Did you know nominations/Karli-Eli

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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:30, 18 March 2013 (UTC).

Karli-Eli

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... that the Ottoman province of Karli-Eli in western Greece was named after the region's last Christian rulers, Carlo I Tocco or his nephew Carlo II Tocco?

Reviewed: Istanbul Hilton Hotel

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nominated at 21:13, 16 February 2013 (UTC).

Nice looking article! Long and new enough. Ready to go!
Unsigned reviews are not adequate. Have the hook facts been checked? Was there a close paraphrase check done? This does look like a good article, though more sources would have been nice. It appears to me that the hook is sourced to an article by John Nerantzis (or so his name is rendered by Google Translate), which is the source of most of the article, but the source cited in the article for the two Carlos is a paper by the same John Nerantzis. Given the limited sourcing for the article in general, I'm a bit dubious about the hook relying on an article where the author cites himself for the key hook fact. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:02, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

I would be suspicious too, but a) Nerantzis has a PhD in history and is by all accounts a reliable source with several publications on local history, b) the same source for the name is also insinuated, but not explicitly stated, by the Encyclopaedia of Islam article, and c) it is not really an extraordinary claim to say that "Land of Charles" derives from the name of its last ruler(s), especially since the name is obviously connected with the Ottoman conquest of Tocco lands. Constantine ✍ 08:17, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Those are all reasonable points. Still, I'm not happy with the quality of the original review, and would like something better by someone who is experienced at this. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:37, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Second opinion requested from an experienced reviewer that covers the issues mentioned above. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:37, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I've added a good JSTOR ref for the hook facts (about all it says in fact), which is in English. Johnbod (talk) 22:52, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Length, 4,337 characters, and date of creation, 12 February, both check out fine. The article is well written, and the JSTOR reference appropriately references the hook fact inline. The remainder of the sources are in Greek, so copyvio and close para-phrasing checks have not been carried out, but AGFed. Good to go. Harrias ^talk 16:50, 18 March 2013 (UTC)