Template:Did you know nominations/Kaʻiulani

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The result was: promoted by Amkgp (talk) 09:52, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Kaʻiulani

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Princess Kaʻiulani, 1897

• ... that Hawaiian princess Kaʻiulani (pictured) studied in England and was fluent in Hawaiian, English, French and German?
  • ALT1:... that Hawaiian princess Kaʻiulani (pictured) was connected to numerous suitors in the press during her lifetime but never married?
  • ALT2:... that Hawaiian princess Kaʻiulani (pictured) was received at the White House by President Grover Cleveland and First Lady Frances Cleveland in 1893?

• Reviewed: Khalili Collection of Japanese Art
• Comment: Not sure what is the best hook. Lot of the ones that I could think of are the usual tragic telling of her life and death. KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:30, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Maile66: What do you think? KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:31, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@KAVEBEAR: I agree that it's a little challenging to come up with a hook about her. — Maile (talk) 01:35, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• ALT3:... that when princess Kaʻiulani (pictured) was five years old, her uncle King Kalākaua tried to arrange a marriage for her with a 13-year-old Japanese prince, but was turned down on behalf of the nation of Japan?

• ALT4:... that when princess Kaʻiulani (pictured) died, her pet peacocks could be heard screaming in the night?

I think this one would be nice to include even if it is a "may have". KAVEBEAR (talk) 16:44, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• ALT4a:... local lore has it that when princess Kaʻiulani (pictured) died, her pet peacocks could be heard screaming in the night? — Maile (talk) 17:15, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Nancy Webb wrote it as "... people were startled from their sleep by a sudden wild screaming in the night. Kaiulani's peacocks were crying out their loss as if they consciously comprehended it." 1

Ellen Emerson White wrote about the shrieking as "it is also said ... " 2 — Maile (talk) 17:17, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• ALT5:... that Hawaiian princess Kaʻiulani (pictured) was an avid surfer and may been the first female to surf in the British Isles in 1892?

I like the surfing angle. But maybe write it with the known facts (rather than "may have been"). Do we know that she took her surf board with her to the British Isles? I think I remember that somewhere. — Maile (talk) 17:15, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Her surfing in England is a popular legend but only surf board is the one that her father donated to the museum after his death which was used only in Hawaii. KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:29, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Added two more hooks about surfing and strikes other hooks. I think this is a more nuanced hook to use since it gives her more agency and focuses on a part of life not covered in popular telling of her life. KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:39, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

• ALT6:... that Hawaiian princess Kaʻiulani (pictured) was an avid surfer and professed in an interview, "I'm sure I was a seal in another world because I am so fond of the water"?
• ALT7:... that Hawaiian princess Kaʻiulani (pictured) was an avid surfer and her seven foot alaia surfboard is one of the few to survive from the 19th-century?

ALT6 is my favorite of the surfing hooks, because it's so cute. We humans can relate to the thought , "... in another life, I must have been ..." — Maile (talk) 02:11, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Improved to Good Article status by KAVEBEAR (talk) and Maile66 (talk). Nominated by KAVEBEAR (talk) at 00:30, 2 December 2020 (UTC).

• Comment: "studied abroad in England" is awkward; use the more concise "studied in England" instead. Mindmatrix 00:45, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Sure. It does make her sound like a 21st-century college student. KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:58, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• GA received within 7 days of nomination. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. All images are freely licensed. QPQ done.
• I also like ALT6 a lot; hook ref verified and cited inline. ALT7 is also verified and cited inline. I'd prefer something definite rather than iffy, so not approving ALT5. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 23:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)