Template:Did you know nominations/Julian F. Everett
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:34, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Sourcing, writing, and notability issues.
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Julian F. Everett
[edit]- ... that Julian F. Everett designed the Pathé Exchange Company building for the burgeoning film industry in what became known as "Film Row" in Seattle, Washington?
- ALT1:... that Julian F. Everett designed the wrought iron "comfort station" that became known as the Pioneer Square Pergola in Seattle?
Created by FloridaArmy (talk). Self-nominated at 18:57, 20 July 2018 (UTC).
At present, the article is way too short, because lists don't count, but seems easy to word some from the lists in prose. I also suggest an infobox, or it looks like an article about a building. The hooks seem longish, but first get the article to apprpriate length. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC)- FloridaArmy, do you plan to expand? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- Just seeing this now. I'll have a look and see if I can expand in the next few days. Would it still qualify or it's too late now? FloridaArmy (talk) 23:32, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, go ahead. You could just say some in prose that is in the table. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- FloridaArmy, it's been over four weeks; if you still wish to pursue this nomination you're running out of time. At the moment, the article has 977 prose characters; it needs to be above 1500 prose characters to qualify for DYK. Let's say another seven days to make significant progress and report it here. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:03, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- I expanded the body quite a bit as per the above suggestions. I think it might be enough? I haven't had a chance to copy the cites up there yet. Thanks for your patience. FloridaArmy (talk) 02:28, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- FloridaArmy, it's been over four weeks; if you still wish to pursue this nomination you're running out of time. At the moment, the article has 977 prose characters; it needs to be above 1500 prose characters to qualify for DYK. Let's say another seven days to make significant progress and report it here. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:03, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, go ahead. You could just say some in prose that is in the table. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- Just seeing this now. I'll have a look and see if I can expand in the next few days. Would it still qualify or it's too late now? FloridaArmy (talk) 23:32, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- Note: Not sure what the DYK standards are but this, in my opinion, is not worthy of being featured there. The article is essentially based on minimal information about Everett, is a collection of random facts, many of which are not noteworthy, and is poorly written. regentspark (comment) 15:39, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- A particularly egregious example of a random fact "In July 27, 1912, Everett traveled with a group of architects from the Washington Chapter of the American Institute of Architects on a day trip to Victoria, British Columbia". Also, the article has been expanded to meet the DYK requirements through repetition, see the material under "Seattle" and under "Works". regentspark (comment) 15:43, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- RegentsPark you left out the rest of that sentence which establishes who his contemporary colleagues were and that they socialized. The sentence also establishes his involvement in AIA which I dont. Think is noted elsewhere. It could just say he "Associated with.." but why leave out color?
- Seriously? The guy goes on a picnic with a bunch of other architects and that's noteworthy for inclusion in an encyclopedia? Trivia is one thing but this is ridiculous. regentspark (comment) 17:32, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- It's true that some details are included innthe list of works and the article body. I would be fine with having them only in the list of works but was told above that content there doesn't count for the content guideline. So I included some of the info in the article body.
- Thanks for catching some errors I made in the entry.FloridaArmy (talk) 16:48, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- RegentsPark you left out the rest of that sentence which establishes who his contemporary colleagues were and that they socialized. The sentence also establishes his involvement in AIA which I dont. Think is noted elsewhere. It could just say he "Associated with.." but why leave out color?
- Thank you, both. It's now long enough! A few other concerns: please try to have a ref at the end of every paragraph, - consider to merge one-sentence paragraphs. Now that we have prose, you don't have to repeat it all in the "buildings", but please source the demolition, for example. - Hook: I am not sure the comfort station is exciting enough, and wonder about the wording of the original hook. Can you make that more to the point? Infobox? - These are more suggestions than requirements. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:06, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but being long enough isn't good enough. This is a terrible piece of writing based on a collection of indiscriminate information and meanderings into ever more trivial byways. I know that this reads harshly but the creator has been told time and again that this is not the way forward. - Sitush (talk) 17:14, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I have to agree with the comments above. This is not front page material. Just meeting the word count and other mechanical requirements is not enough. This article is good enough to have been promoted from draft space to mainspace (which is where I got involved), and probably good enough to survive AfD. But, that's a long way from being good enough to be on the front page. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:00, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but being long enough isn't good enough. This is a terrible piece of writing based on a collection of indiscriminate information and meanderings into ever more trivial byways. I know that this reads harshly but the creator has been told time and again that this is not the way forward. - Sitush (talk) 17:14, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Due to writing and notability issues, as well as the fact that the article now only has 1334 characters (short of the required 1500 character requirement), I am failing this nomination. I'm very sorry to the nominator that it has to end like this and I wish you luck in your future edits. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:33, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
