Template:Did you know nominations/Josh Linkner

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The result was: promoted by Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 23:09, 26 March 2013 (UTC).

Josh Linkner

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... ~~that Josh Linkner (pictured) connects the creativity of jazz to creativity in the business world?~~

Reviewed: Amor Puro
Comment: I did quite a bit of clean up on Cszydlowski's draft at AfC before accepting it, moving it mainspace, and nominating it.

Created by Cszydlowski (talk), Woz2 (talk). Self nominated at 23:05, 9 March 2013 (UTC).

- The article is new enough, long enough, nominated in time and has inline citations. It is fairly well-written, but I would like to see the two quotes in the first paragraph paraphrased into prose. The hook states that Linkner "connects the creativity of jazz to creativity in the business world", while the article says that "In the book he ..." - Is this really the same? In the article I find {{rp|ix}}, shouldn't this template have a page-number or am I missing something? The photo is Public Domain, and looks good at small size, so that one can be used. The nominator has done substantial edits to the article to make it eligible for DYK, so we should change the {{DYKnom}}-credit to a {{DYKmake}}-credit, but I guess that costs you a QPQ :) Mentoz86 (talk) 12:19, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I changed the quotes to prose. The {{rp|ix}} template refers to the preface of the book which happens to use roman numerals for page numbering, so yes, the page number is there "ix" or 9 in roman numerals. If you click on the Google books links, you'll see the preface is excerpted by Google in its preview. The first two paragraphs of page "ix" explain the business/jazz connection that I mentioned in the article and the hook. I'm happy to take joint credit for the article (and do a QPQ) if you think it is more appropriate. I'm fine either way. Being lazy, I'd rather not take credit and not do the QPQ :-) Woz2 (talk) 00:14, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Given that this was the version before your first edit, I think you should have as much credit for this as the creator, hence this is a self-nom and you need to do a QPQ. :) Mentoz86 (talk) 10:04, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

OK. Done! Woz2 (talk) 08:10, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Great. I'm still at little uncertain whether this is an accurate hook, as I wrote earlier: (The hook states that Linkner "connects the creativity of jazz to creativity in the business world", while the article says that "In the book he ..." - Is this really the same?) - so I'll request a second opinion at WT:DYK. Mentoz86 (talk) 11:10, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Very good. But if you read the first two paragraphs of the preface (page ix) of his book (as cited, and as readily available as the Google Books preview) I think you'll conclude the hook, the article, and the book are consistent. Woz2 (talk) 12:38, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Outside comment What does the phrase "connects the creativity of jazz to creativity in the business world" even mean? The phrasing makes it seem like there is one singular "creativity" that exist in the world of jazz and the world of business that Linkner has combined together like fusion cuisine. The problem is that you really can't conceptualize "the creativity of..." things like you can conceptualize French and Asian cuisine so this "connection" that Linkner is doing sounds a bit like fluff, almost like an ad slogan for a company. I would probably go with a hook talking about the Champion of Change award he received from President Obama or being CEO in a business venture with Magic Johnson. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 21:48, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Bingo! The hook is supposed to be intriguing, not a synopsis of Linkner's thesis. He sets out his thesis in the preface (page ix) of his book. Whether you agree with his thesis or not isn't germane to the discussion here.

ALT1 ... that Josh Linkner (pictured) states that the original thought and imagination of jazz performance are transferable skills for creating value in the business world?

ALT2 ... that President Barack Obama gave Josh Linkner (pictured) a Champion of Change award in the youth entrepreneur category?

ALT3 ... that Magic Johnson is a business partner of Josh Linkner (pictured) in Detroit Venture Partners?

Woz2 (talk) 11:17, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Reviewer needed for new ALT hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:38, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Not really, I was going to finish it off myself, but haven't had the time to check if the new hooks are supported by sources. Mentoz86 (talk) 03:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I've struck the original hook, per Agne's comment. All three ALT-hooks are supported by an inline citation, but I prefer ALT2 and ALT3 as they are more interesting. If using ALT2, I would have rewrotten it to ALT2a (hook below). I have no other concerns, and this one is good to go. Mentoz86 (talk) 17:14, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

ALT2a ... that Josh Linkner (pictured) was awarded a Champion of Change award in the youth entrepreneur category by President Barack Obama?

I would put a second

for ALT2a as the best of the bunch. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 17:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Woz2 (talk) 17:50, 26 March 2013 (UTC)