Template:Did you know nominations/Josette Frank

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:38, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Josette Frank

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~~... that Josette Frank was an early feminist who chose to keep her maiden name when she married in 1920s?~~ source
- ALT1:... that Josette Frank was an advocate for American comic books in the 1940s and 50s, a time when the American public suspected them of corrupting youths? Source, although it's not stated this clearly.

Reviewed: Edel-optics.de Arena

Created by Etzedek24 (talk) and Argento Surfer (talk). Nominated by Argento Surfer (talk) at 14:06, 17 August 2018 (UTC).

Interesting life, on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I struck the original because yes it's unusual, but not specific for her. I think children's literature has to be there. - Suggestions for the article: shorter headers, and say "They had two children". Why no image here? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Due apologies, but I am not satisfied with the hook, and have pulled this from the prep area. I do not see how the text in the article supports the hook as written. Vanamonde (talk) 21:56, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

I assume the issue is with the second half of the hook? The article clearly references the 1954 Senate hearings investigating a link between comic books and juvenile delinquency, but I have added a broader claim about public opinion with two additional sources. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93, Etzedek24, and Argento Surfer: This has been stuck for a few weeks now, perhaps there could be a way for this nomination can move forward? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:58, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Vanamonde, are you satisfied with my addition to the article? Argento Surfer (talk) 13:38, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

@Argento Surfer: Apologies, I was not watching this, and I hadn't been pinged. Not quite, I'm not. I'm not actually seeing her described as an advocate for comic books, or the equivalent. Also, the latter half of the first section is unreferenced. Vanamonde (talk) 16:14, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93:, I have referenced the early life section to which I believe you were referring, and I have added in material from her book where her comic advocacy is more candid. I'm not sure what else you could want. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 16:37, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

@Etzedek24: Not quite, I'm afraid. Frank's own book is a good source for a quote, and for very basic biographical detail, but for almost nothing else. Saying "Frank became more candid about her comic book advocacy" and then sourcing it to Frank's own book isn't in compliance with WP:NOR, let alone the requirement to source the hook. We need an independent source saying that. Vanamonde (talk) 16:46, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Ken Quattro, who wrote a 5-part series on Frank, makes the assertion this DYK is predicated on in the preface to his article. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 17:05, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

@Etzedek24: Please ping me when you reply, as I'm not watching this. That source is a blog, and is not therefore reliable enough for such a claim. Vanamonde (talk) 20:27, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: I thought you might say that. Quattro is undoubtedly a reliable source when it comes to comics-related writing. Don't WP:JUSTABLOG him. The article in question (if you indeed read it) uses a breadth of archival sources, and Quattro's writing has been judged as reliable according to Fish and karate, who assessed his reliability in a GA review of a page I wrote. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 21:44, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Etzedek24: you're welcome to solicit further opinion at WT:DYK, but this would not fly at ERRORS, and would likely be pilloried by TRM. I suggest you find a better source. Vanamonde (talk) 21:47, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: And so I will. I think you're being absurdly obstinate about the reliability of the source. Quattro has been published plenty of times in "legit" sources. Just because this is his blog doesn't make it any less reliable. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 00:27, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Alt2...that in 1997 the annual Children's Book Award for children's fiction was renamed in honor of Josette Frank? Szzuk (talk) 20:48, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Throwing in an alt to try and move this forward. Szzuk (talk) 20:48, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Reviewer needed to check proposed ALT2. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:50, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

-Article is new enough (or was, anyway: created on 16 August, nom'd here the following day), long enough (1056 words), easily neutral, is cited in the article (although not here—but it would just slow things down (again!) if I insisted on waiting for [1] and [2]), and although Earwig's results are "Wow!", it's mostly down to some fat cite; hook is well within character limit (~100 chars), accurate, sourced, and possibly of general interest. The nom's QPQ is done; No image used. Ready on ALT2. ——SerialNumber54129 17:54, 29 October 2018 (UTC)