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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Fuebaey (talk) 23:55, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Jordan, Jesse, Go!

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  • Comment: Hook may need something if it's not clear that "Judge John Hodgman" is another (popular) podcast.

5x expanded by Irregulargalaxies (talk), 0x0077BE (talk). Nominated by 0x0077BE (talk) at 16:46, 18 October 2014 (UTC).

  • 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. The first paragraph under Format needs at least one cite, per DYK rules. I also added a citation-needed tag to the second half of the description under Momentous Occasions, which seems pretty detailed. I am unable to find the information mentioned in the article in footnotes 6, 7 (especially the words in quotes, "bailiff" and "legal counsel", which I assume are in quotes because they're lifted from the source), and 8. I agree with you about the hook; it is vague. Would it help to add "popular podcast" before Judge John Hodgman? QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 13:34, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for reviewing this. I've cleaned up the "Format" section a bit. Regarding "bailiff" and "legal counsel", those are scare quotes, mostly, but they describe the roles mostly in what is now footnote 10:
Thorn, Jesse; Morris, Jordan (March 22, 2010). "Young Man's Fancy with Chris Hardwick". Jordan, Jesse, Go! (Podcast). No. 128. Maximum Fun. Event occurs at 00:54:00. Retrieved November 3, 2014..
I'll think about how to modify the hook. 0x0077BE (talk · contrib) 16:35, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks. ALT1 looks good; hook ref verified and cited inline. Please clarify: Is the information being cited to Footnote 6 under History and Footnote 10 under Judge John Hodgman coming from a podcast? I don't see it in the website text. Yoninah (talk) 19:52, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Thanks for fixing up this "ALT1" thing - I wasn't familiar with how to propose alternate hooks. The only problem I have with ALT1 is the repetition of the word "podcast", which is what I was trying to avoid, but I guess there's no good way around it, and it doesn't seem too awkward. As for footnotes 6 and 10, yes, the citation is to the audio of the podcast, not the website text, sorry for the confusion. In footnote 10, the audio is at 54m. I'm going to track down the location in the podcast for citation 6, I didn't realize I had left that out. 0x0077BE (talk · contrib) 21:32, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
  • OK, thanks for the explanation. I don't have speakers on my computer, so I'll AGF those sources. A question about the hook: Do you think that either of these podcasts is popular enough that readers will click on the hook? Because if not, you may want to add more information from the sources about the kind of comedy they do, and use something of that for a hook. Yoninah (talk) 23:31, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion. I think that John Hodgman is fairly well-known, but I have no idea about the demographics of front-page users. He may be someone who is best recognized on sight rather than by his name, though. I could create a more tightly-cropped version of this photo of Hodgman in judge's robes as a thumbnail, that may make people more likely to click on it, once they recognize his face. I'll think about alternate hooks, though I do like this factoid as the core. 0x0077BE (talk · contrib) 19:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
How about omitting the second repetition:
ALT2: ... that the popular podcast Judge John Hodgman started as a segment on Jordan, Jesse, Go!? Fuebaey (talk) 23:30, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Sorry about the delay in responding to this. I'm perfectly happy with ALT2. If we want a photo, I've prepared two square images, both featuring Hodgman. The top one is a cropped version of one appearing in the Judge John Hodgman article, the bottom appears in the Jordan, Jesse, Go! article. Both are from live recordings of either the podcast (1st image) or the segment (2nd image). Since the podcast itself is a bit abstract, it's a bit hard for me to imagine how to best modify the hook to include (pictured). How about:

Judge John Hodgman

I don't want to drag out this process too long, so I'll say that my recommendation is to use ALT3(a/b), and while I'm mostly indifferent between the two photos, the second one is more relevant to the featured content (Jordan, Jesse, Go!), so if there's no strong preference either way my vote goes for that one. I'm also mostly indifferent about the wording (live taping pictured), so feel free to change that before running it to make it more in line with how these are normally done - (pictured at a live taping), (hosts pictured), (live recording pictured), etc. If none of these options including a picture seem suitable, I'd say scheduling ALT2 would work just fine. 0x0077BE (talk · contrib) 18:48, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
According to DYK rules, the image used must be in the DYK article (cropping is allowed). So, if the first image is to be used, either the original or the cropped image will have to be copied to the DYK article. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 09:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
  • ALT3b hook ref is verified and cited inline, and the image that goes with it appears in the article and is freely licensed. (I deleted the other image to keep things straight for the promoter.) ALT3b good to go. Yoninah (talk) 00:00, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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