Template:Did you know nominations/John Rutherford Ryley

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:53, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

John Rutherford Ryley

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... that John Rutherford Ryley, who introduced antiseptic surgery into New Zealand, later committed suicide? Source: "He used the technique of carbolic soaked bandages and dressings described by Lister and published an account of this in the Lancet in May 1868" Ryley, J R (1868). "Carbolic acid in the treatment of compound fractures and abscesses". Lancet. 1: 586=587. "The cause of death was given at the inquest as suicide from an intentional overdose of morphia" Report of inquest. JR Ryley Sydney Morning Herald, p6, p12, 15 March 1884
- ALT1:... that John Rutherford Ryley learned antiseptic technique from Joseph Lister and was the first to practise it in New Zealand? Source: "He used the technique of carbolic soaked bandages and dressings described by Lister and published an account of this in the Lancet in May 1868" doi:10.1177/096777209900700107 . Ryley, J R (1868). "Carbolic acid in the treatment of compound fractures and abscesses". Lancet. 1: 586=587

Reviewed: Veronica perfoliata

Moved to mainspace by Iainmacintyre (talk). Self-nominated at 16:24, 16 April 2019 (UTC)."...surgeon to the jail and the Hokitika lunatic asylum between 1866-69".

In date and long enough. QPQ has been done. However the article does not make the statement that he was the first to practise Lister's techniques in New Zealand. It does state that he claimed to be the first to do so in the colonies, but that this was then challenged with an account of an earlier example in Australia. Similarly the statement in the article lead that he "emigrated to New Zealand and introduced antiseptic surgery there" is also not supported in the body. The article "Pioneer of Antisepsis in New Zealand" does state that he was the first in New Zealand, and it would be good to have this made explicit in the article and cited to this source. Personally I would find a hook along the lines of "... that John Rutherford Ryley was the both the surgeon of a lunatic asylum in 1869 and the patient of one in 1870?" to be quite good, though the detail of his 1870 committal would need to be explicitly sourced. Happy to hear your thoughts. Spokoyni (talk) 11:27, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Spokoyni: Many thanks the review and for pointing out that omission which I have now fixed both in the lead and in the body. I like your ALT suggestion and have added detail of the admission to the lunatic asylum with a citation the "Pioneer of Antisepsis in New Zealand" article. I'll add this as ALT2.
ALT2:... that John Rutherford Ryley was both the surgeon to a lunatic asylum in 1869 and the patient in one in 1870?" Source:"...and surgeon to the jail and the Hokitika lunatic asylum between 1866-69". https://thecommunityarchive.org.nz/node/74558/description "Ryley had been admitted to the Auckland Lunatic Asylum on 2 March 1870." doi:10.1177/096777209900700107
Thanks again Papamac (talk) 09:54, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Looks good to me, though as I proposed the new hook a new reviewer should just sign off on it. Spokoyni (talk) 13:26, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

ALT2 in article and referenced. Article reads well, a number of offline sources, no copy via issues, new enough. Whispyhistory (talk) 15:21, 23 April 2019 (UTC)