Template:Did you know nominations/John Outhouse

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The result was: promoted by — Maile (talk) 23:19, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

John Outhouse

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~~...that in the 1850s, a schoolhouse in Portland, Oregon, was taught by an outhouse, colloquially called a john?~~ Source:"This Board announce that John T. Outhouse will begin a school in the School House, next door to the “City Hotel” on Monday, December 15, 1851. “Books to be used—Sanders’ Readers, Goodrich’s Geographies, Thompson’s Arithmetics and Bullion’s Grammar.”"

Comment: This is intended for the April Fools Day DYK— hence it has been several months since I actually wrote the article.

Created by Margalob (talk). Self-nominated at 17:17, 26 November 2016 (UTC).

Comment: this seems to be too late for DYK (7 days) and also too early for April Fool (6 weeks), sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

The April Fools Day rules state that an article need only be created in the year immediately preceding the April 1 on which it will appear. That means you should have nominated it as soon as you created it and asked for it to be considered for the April Fools Day set. Unfortunately, this article does not meet DYK's newness requirement of nomination within 7 days of creation. Yoninah (talk) 17:37, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Surely we won't allow ruleboundedness to consign such a worthy hook to the crapper? E Eng 06:05, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Actually, the rules for April Fools specifically allow for this situation, if you read them closely. The article merely needs to have been create/expanded/made a GA at any point since the previous April Fool's Day (in this case, 1 April 2016). It can be nominated at any time during the year, provided that it meets all the other GA criteria; there is also some leeway in the hook, per those same rules. The seven-day requirement does not apply here (the description about reviewing specifically excepts the "new enough" rule). BlueMoonset (talk) 18:37, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Length and hook for AFD OK. As is indeed correctly pointed out above, as it's an April Fools Day hook the length requirement is extended and it was made within that extended timeframe. A wee QPQ is not needed. No close paraphrasing. Good to go for April Fools Day. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:05, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Note: I think the hook is going to have to be refactored so that there aren't two separate bold links to the same article, but I'm not sure how that would best be done. Leaving it to the promoter. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:16, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

I think the original hook could use a bit of a tweak. Suggested alt:

ALT1: ... that in Portland, Oregon, an outhouse, or john, played a seminal role in public education? Gatoclass (talk) 08:55, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Formally approving ALT1, which gives a single bold link version; the original hook was problematic as noted above. As he was the first public schoolteacher, he definitely played a seminal role. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:18, 31 March 2017 (UTC)