Template:Did you know nominations/John Horsefield

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The result was: promoted by Miyagawa (talk) 09:32, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

John Horsefield

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... the impoverished amateur botanist John Horsefield rued that "fame is not bread" ....?

Created/expanded by Sitush (talk). Self nom at 21:01, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Actually, there is enough room to add that he was an autodidact to the hook. I am afraid that I am finding this DYK process (inc, instructions for how to reviw) very frustrating, and the page load time at present is ridiculous. If this is geared towards newcomers then there is something in need of attention but I am unsure whether that is a software or a template issue. - Sitush (talk) 02:04, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Sitush, first DYK requirement: hook needs to be sourced. Can you stick the proper footnote in the article right after the quote--is it Paxton 1848? Drmies (talk) 02:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Oops - like I said, it is too messy for me! Source (now entered) is the ODNB, actually. If we are really pedantic then it is from his autobiographical piece in Manchester Guardian of 2 March 1850, as quoted by ODNB. - Sitush (talk) 07:32, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh, we are! "Qtd. in..." Anyway, as far as I'm concerned this is good to go, but we need someone who is not us to have a look at it: you and I are waaaay too involved with each others, since we are bikers and all. ;) Drmies (talk) 16:00, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I rarely quote something that quotes something (!) And, yes, we are too involved. - Sitush (talk) 15:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposed alterantive hook:

ALT 1 ... that artisan botanist John Horsefield was born "dead" but went on to champion the "ignorant and degraded" Lancashire textile workers? Richerman (talk) 09:59, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

That is a much better hook - I like it! I've reviewed Al-Fozail ibn Iyaz, btw. - Sitush (talk) 15:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

I like both hooks but prefer the first as "born dead" can't possibly be accurate. Alternate: "was said to have been born dead"? I also really like a biography illustrated with a picture of a lily he cultivated. Readers in other countries may want to see "ODNB" spelled out. Good to go for DYK, in the opinion of a newcomer to reviewing DYKs. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:47, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

The word dead can be put in quotes, as per the article. - Sitush (talk) 01:24, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:49, 25 January 2012 (UTC)