Template:Did you know nominations/Jill Valentine
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Montanabw(talk) 06:08, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
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Jill Valentine
[edit]- ... that video game character Jill Valentine was almost a Jill sandwich?
- Reviewed: David I. Robinson
Improved to Good Article status by Freikorp (talk). Self nominated at 10:15, 25 January 2015 (UTC).
Wow, good work with whole article, recently promoted to GA status, long enough and inline cited. QPQ is completed by nominator, not finished yet but that's okay, the only problem here is that the hook "Jill Valentine was almost a Jill sandwich" doesn't make any sense. I mean you should mention why Jill was almost sandwich or who said that, when and where. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 18:10, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Captain Assassin!. The hook deliberately doesn't make any sense. It's intended to be a tease hook, which is allowed. In the past i've found these to be very effective. If you go through the list of most successful hooks at WP:DYKSTATS, you'll see several tease hooks. My favourites are "...that Elvis' greatest shit was dropped in 1982?" and "... that Batman is half female?" Both require you to go read the article to understand what the hook means. Freikorp (talk) 21:51, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I got it, and the teasing hook is interesting. It's good to go then. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 03:08, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Captain Assassin!. The hook deliberately doesn't make any sense. It's intended to be a tease hook, which is allowed. In the past i've found these to be very effective. If you go through the list of most successful hooks at WP:DYKSTATS, you'll see several tease hooks. My favourites are "...that Elvis' greatest shit was dropped in 1982?" and "... that Batman is half female?" Both require you to go read the article to understand what the hook means. Freikorp (talk) 21:51, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- The review does not cover significant DYK criteria, including neutrality and close paraphrasing. Please complete the review before final approval. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:47, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
The hook is not acceptable. According to the rules, "If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way." That hook does not. The examples you gave were both April Fools' Day hooks; while some leeway is obviously allowed for such hooks, most rules including this one must still be obeyed. A real-world Elvis album was released in the given year. Half of the population of a real-world province is female. Your hook has no real-world fact, and would never be acceptable, even on April Fools' Day. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Well Freikorp, probably that's why I asked you to reworded your hook into a better shape. Please do it so per Mandarax's comment. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 03:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- @Mandarax: I've reworded it to explain to the reader that she is a video game character, is that good enough? @Captain Assassin!: Can you please state whether you checked for neutrality and close paraphrasing as per BlueMoonset's comment? Freikorp (talk) 04:24, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- It's certainly better than it was. I wouldn't say I'm happy with it, but I won't object if others approve. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:55, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!: Notifications may not have been working the other day (they weren't for me anyway) so just pinging you again regarding this. Freikorp (talk) 09:25, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
- Good to go. I don't see any close paraphrasing. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 15:33, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
- @Captain Assassin!: Notifications may not have been working the other day (they weren't for me anyway) so just pinging you again regarding this. Freikorp (talk) 09:25, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
- It's certainly better than it was. I wouldn't say I'm happy with it, but I won't object if others approve. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:55, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- @Mandarax: I've reworded it to explain to the reader that she is a video game character, is that good enough? @Captain Assassin!: Can you please state whether you checked for neutrality and close paraphrasing as per BlueMoonset's comment? Freikorp (talk) 04:24, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
- Well Freikorp, probably that's why I asked you to reworded your hook into a better shape. Please do it so per Mandarax's comment. --Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 03:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
