Template:Did you know nominations/Jesuit Community Cemetery (Georgetown University)

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The result was: promoted by Flibirigit (talk) 01:56, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Jesuit Community Cemetery (Georgetown University)

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... that the Jesuit Community Cemetery at Georgetown University was established in 1808 but relocated in 1854? Source: "The cemetery was actually established in 1808..." and "The Jesuit cemetery was laid out in its present location...in June 1854." (link)

Reviewed: Renee Powell

Created by Ergo Sum (talk). Self-nominated at 20:38, 25 September 2018 (UTC).

Long enough, nominated 1 day after move to mainspace, no copyvio or close paraphrase (I changed one such sentence), appropriate levels of sourcing and to what appear to be RS (I don't know enough about Georgetown Voice's editorial practices to definitively say but a quick glance suggests it's OK), hook follows guidelines and has appear to a broad audience, QPQ completed. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:53, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that 46 Jesuits were exhumed during the relocation of the Jesuit Community Cemetery at Georgetown University in 1854? Yoninah (talk) 00:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

@Yoninah: This nom was already approved. The question symbol is not appropriate for proposing an alternate phrasing. Ergo Sum 01:10, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Why not? We want readers to click on the hook, not pass it over. Yoninah (talk) 01:11, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

@Yoninah: I'm not necessarily saying the ALT is bad. I'm just saying it's not something that constitutes "an issue" that the nominates is required to address, which is what the question mark symbol means. The question mark means that the nomination must be held up, which it evidently does not since it passed the first time around.Ergo Sum 04:23, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

I agree with this. It just seems like such a time waster. SL93 (talk) 06:25, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

@Ergo Sum: I really don't understand. I spend hours building prep sets and when I come across a hook that looks less than hooky, I put a question mark on it, have a discussion with the nominator, come up with a better hook, and then promote it. I see I forgot to put my usual opening on my first comment, explaining that I had come by to promote the hook. Frankly, I wouldn't promote such a hook, and I don't think it's going to pass muster with other DYK editors if it actually makes its way into a prep set. If @SL93: thinks it's just fine, let him restore the tick. Yoninah (talk) 17:28, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

@Yoninah: That's fine; I'm not trying to be disagreeable. I've just never understood the threshold for overriding a previous DYK promotion to be merely that another editor disagrees with the interestingness of the hook (compared to the other DYK criteria). That seems like a low bar. @SL93:'s opinion would be appreciated. Ergo Sum 19:35, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

@Ergo Sum: Hook interest is part of the DYK criteria; see WP:DYK#Eligibility criteria 3a. Cited hook. If the second editor who sees your hook thinks it's uninteresting, you might want to reconsider. Yoninah (talk) 20:16, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

My belief is that what is interesting to one person or multiple people might not be interesting to other people. It should be common sense that what is interesting is subjective, but so many editors here just don't get it. If it is to be not subjective, the rules for DYK should be more strict. As of now, it is not that way. I'm restoring the tick.

. SL93 (talk) 22:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Although I do not like holding up nominations on "interest of hook" grounds, in this case I agree with Yoninah and am approving ALT1, so the promoter can use either ALT0 or ALT1 as they think fit. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:43, 5 November 2018 (UTC)