Template:Did you know nominations/Jennifer Foster

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:47, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Jennifer Foster

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... that according to Jennifer Foster, Iron Age metalsmiths of high-quality goods in Britain might have been itinerant rather than having a fixed abode?

Reviewed: Lynching of Jay Lynch

Created by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 23:04, 6 August 2019 (UTC).

The main fault is that the article falls a long way short of the DYK requirement for "a minimum of 1500 characters of readable prose". Also, all we really learn about Ms Foster is her subject and where she was teaching in 2014. I hardly ever raise the question of WP:N, but if this article shows notability, then all academics with a few published articles are notable. Also, no QPQ done yet. If you do not need to do one, it's helpful to have a note on that. Moonraker (talk) 12:11, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, Moonraker. Admittedly I rushed this nomination a bit, as I didn't have time to fully expand it before the 7-day deadline. I'll expand it by the end of the weekend; this should hopefully also make the notability more clear (for what it's worth, a quick search on Google Scholar comes up with 71 citations alone for just The Lexden Tumulus, and another 33 for Bronze boar figurines in iron age and Roman Britain). --Usernameunique (talk) 16:07, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
I'll wait for you to ping me, Usernameunique, but I am not going to be about for a few days. Moonraker (talk) 20:19, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Butting in - I thought just about everyone always thought that Iron Age metalsmiths in Britain were more or less itinerant in most places? Johnbod (talk) 03:02, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Also butting in: I don't know much about Iron Age industry, but I would not have made that assumption, as smiths need forges. The article is still not long enough, still doesn't make notability clear, and has more in the lede than in the Career section. Also, I have just looked at the source for that statement (someone else's article, not Foster's), which actually says that metalsmiths producing high quality goods may have been itinerant, and that they may have produced a group of pieces at a single stop on their journeying, which is not quite what the article and hook say. RebeccaGreen (talk) 17:18, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

I have done a bit of editing on this article, placing some of the information that was in the lede into the body of the article, and adjusting the info on the metalsmiths as per my comment above. The article was new enough when nominated, and is now just long enough (1590 characters of prose, not including the lede). Earwig shows no copyvio.

Usernameunique, do you want to proceed with this nomination? If so, do you have a QPQ review for it? If you do, I would suggest including the words "high quality" before "Iron Age metalsmiths" in the hook, as the source indicates that it was not any or all smiths who might have been itinerant, but producers of high quality goods. What do you think? RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:36, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder, RebeccaGreen, and for your edits. QPQ added above, and edited the hook accordingly. --Usernameunique (talk) 07:45, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

As I said above, the article is now just long enough, it was new enough when nominated, it is neutral, has sufficient referencing (AGF for offline sources), and has no copyvio. The hook is, in my opinion, interesting enough, though probably more about Iron Age smiths than about the subject of the article. A QPQ has now been done. Moonraker raised the issue of notability of the subject. I don't see anything in the DYK rules or supplementary rules about notability - I tend to agree that I am not sure it's been convincingly demonstrated in the article, but that's a different question from whether the subject meets notability guidelines or not (I don't know). I will approve the hook, and leave it to promoters and approving admins to decide if that's an issue affecting DYK eligibility. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:55, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes, if notability is a concern that should be handled at Afd, not here. I'm pretty sure myself she would pass, though flying rather low over the bar. Johnbod (talk) 17:43, 15 September 2019 (UTC)