Template:Did you know nominations/Jenifer Ringer
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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 00:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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Jenifer Ringer
- ... that a body shaming comment from a New York Times critic led to ballerina Jenifer Ringer's appearances on The Oprah Winfrey Show and The Today Show? Source: "When, a few years ago, Alastair Macaulay wrote in The New York Times that she seemed to have eaten 'one sugarplum too many,” she was, she says, 'fine.' (Still the review prompted a storm of outrage — and an invitation for her to appear on 'Oprah.')" ([1]) "Jenifer Ringer, who danced the role of the Sugar Plum Fairy, said Monday on NBC's 'Today' that, 'As a dancer, I do put myself out there to be criticized, and my body is part of my art form.'" ([2])
- Reviewed: Debbie Muir
5x expanded by Corachow (talk). Self-nominated at 14:29, 5 January 2021 (UTC).
Article expansion at 5.5x in words, 5.6x in characters. Article expansion versus filing date okay. Article neutral, sourced, no evident signs of copyvio. QPQ done. Hook length okay, hook neutrality okay, hook sources both verified online. Hook interest is definitely there.
- I do have some comments on the article itself. In However, former teacher convinced Ringer ..., is the name of a teacher missing, or the word 'a'? I think her degree from Fordham should be moved into the main biographical narrative, since it shows she was preparing for an alternate career during the time of her ballet-related eating disorder problems. I think the material about her religion needs to be expanded to describe the influence it has had on her career, which I gather is the point of the WaPo source being used, and perhaps moved into the main narrative as well. As it stands right now, the religion material seems kind of pointless. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Wasted Time R: 1. Former teacher part fixed. 2. Many American ballet dancers go to college part time whether they want to pursue an alternative career or not, so Ringer might not be preparing for another career, just happened to be studying and graduated during her hiatus, and according to this, the New York City Ballet started providing financial help for dancers going pursuing higher education in 1992. 3. I'll include some religion material in the main narrative. Corachow (talk) 11:37, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Corachow: Well, your addition she claimed that her faith had heavily influenced her career has several problems. First, the word 'claimed' is negatively loaded, see MOS:SAID; 'stated' or 'said' would be more neutral. Second, it doesn't doesn't indicate how it helped her – did it help reduce stress, or help refine her artistic sensibility, or help with the uncertainties of a performing arts career, or what? Third, at this point the reader has no idea what her faith is. This is one of the pitfalls of using a "Personal life" section in the first place. I know they are heavily used in WP, but I have written many FA/GA/DYK biographies without using them at all. I prefer to do it the way real book biographers do it – integrate all aspects of a person's life in one chronological narrative. Because after all, that's how people actually live their lives.
- Also, independent of location, Though raised as an Evangelical Christian, Ringer had "always considered" herself a Protestant Christian. needs further clarification – does this mean that she always considered herself a Mainline Protestant rather than an Evangelical? Wasted Time R (talk) 01:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Wasted Time R: The exact quote in her WaPo interview is "When I was growing up, we moved a lot, and my family always tried to look for a strong Bible-based church that had good teaching. I still look for that. We have found Grace Pasadena Church. I think it’s a Presbyterian church. It’s a church plant from our church in New York. I’ve always considered myself a Protestant. Other than that we just look for a church that fits." So I guess she meant Protestant Christianity in general. (I know very little about Christianity) I changed the heavily influenced part to In both her memoir and in interviews, she said that her faith helped her reach success in career and she considered "ballet is god." based on the WaPo book review. Also I can't really fit the personal life section into the main narrative due to the timeline. Corachow (talk) 11:05, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Okay, I think we've reached the point of diminishing returns here. I would rewrite "... success in career and she considered ..." as "... success in her career and that she considered ..." And when the article hits the main page someone else will probably have a go at the "had 'always considered' herself a Protestant Christian" passage. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:13, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
