Template:Did you know nominations/Jeff Jordan (defensive back)
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 02:43, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
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Jeff Jordan (defensive back)
- ... that NFL player Jeff Jordan was nicknamed "The Blade" because he was likened to a blade of grass? Source: Tulsa World obit ("The Minnesota Vikings drafted Jeff in 1965 and he went on to play three seasons for the team as a free safety. It was in Minnesota where Jeff acquired the nickname "The Blade", likening his tall, thin stature to a blade of grass.")
Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:14, 16 October 2022 (UTC).
Nice work creating this article. Surprising that such a strong player didn't have an article during his lifetime. The article is new enough and long enough, sourced, appears policy compliant, and Earwig doesn't detect copyvio issues. Hook is interesting, short enough, and accurate. Two issues. First, the hook fact is sourced to Legacy.com - it says its from the Tulsa World but I can't find it at tulsaworld.com and it appears to be a paid death notice written by the family rather than an editorially independent obit - can you find the link to Tulsa World so we can see if it's paid or independent? Or find a clearly independent source to support the hook fact? Second, the QPQ needs to be completed. Cbl62 (talk) 01:44, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- I've reviewed Rebecca Blake as a QPQ. I'll see if I can find the Tulsa World link or another source. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:37, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Well, I see him at the Tulsa World obits page here, but when I click on the link, it sends me to Legacy.com. That was the only source I could find stating his nickname. Is it really an issue to cite things to Legacy.com? I've seen it done many times in the past, and have never before seen a problem with it being referenced. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: I wasn't sure either about using Legacy as a source for a hook, so I posted a question at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Jeff Jordan (defensive back). The response there from User:theleekycauldron suggested that it wasn't ideal. Everything else about the nom is good, so I'm pinging the leeky one to see what they have to say. Cbl62 (talk) 00:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- yeah, I mean... there's some stuff you can use legacy.com for, but we basically have to assume that it's not independent from the subject's family. As such, I wouldn't feel comfortable using it as a source for how he was perceived by others. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:04, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: I wasn't sure either about using Legacy as a source for a hook, so I posted a question at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Jeff Jordan (defensive back). The response there from User:theleekycauldron suggested that it wasn't ideal. Everything else about the nom is good, so I'm pinging the leeky one to see what they have to say. Cbl62 (talk) 00:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- Well, I see him at the Tulsa World obits page here, but when I click on the link, it sends me to Legacy.com. That was the only source I could find stating his nickname. Is it really an issue to cite things to Legacy.com? I've seen it done many times in the past, and have never before seen a problem with it being referenced. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- I've reviewed Rebecca Blake as a QPQ. I'll see if I can find the Tulsa World link or another source. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:37, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11 and Theleekycauldron: Do we know who exactly called him "The Blade"? If it was his family then perhaps that could be clarified in the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:53, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- Its uncertain, but I doubt it was his family. The source makes it seem like the nickname was acquired from a teammate or someone with the Vikings ("The Minnesota Vikings drafted Jeff in 1965 ... It was in Minnesota where Jeff acquired the nickname "The Blade", likening his tall, thin stature to a blade of grass.") BeanieFan11 (talk) 13:12, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Cbl62: @Theleekycauldron: @Narutolovehinata5: Since the "Blade" hook unfortunately doesn't seem to be working out, what about this for Jordan's DYK hook:
- ALT1 ... that before playing in the NFL, Jeff Jordan was a Rhodes Scholarship finalist? Source: The Record-Citizen
- BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:10, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- I have mixed feelings about ALT1. On one hand, ALT1 is very interesting if you know what a Rhodes Scholarship is. It's quite the accomplishment! But the impact may not be obvious to those who may not know what it is. Given that I have a background in research I don't think I can give an impassionate opinion on ALT1 and thus would rather defer to Cbl62 on whether it's a suitable alternative. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:38, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- While the average American may not know the details of the Rhodes scholar program, I think it's widely known as a significant marker of academic accomplishment. That combined with the high level of athletic of athletic accomplishment makes for an interesting hook IMO. Cbl62 (talk) 02:45, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Cbl62: So, is this good to go, or? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:38, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Its uncertain, but I doubt it was his family. The source makes it seem like the nickname was acquired from a teammate or someone with the Vikings ("The Minnesota Vikings drafted Jeff in 1965 ... It was in Minnesota where Jeff acquired the nickname "The Blade", likening his tall, thin stature to a blade of grass.") BeanieFan11 (talk) 13:12, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11 and Theleekycauldron: Do we know who exactly called him "The Blade"? If it was his family then perhaps that could be clarified in the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:53, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Approving alt1. Cbl62 (talk) 00:44, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
