Template:Did you know nominations/Jeff Chandler (footballer)
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:48, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
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Jeff Chandler (footballer)
[edit]... that the footballer Jeff Chandler became a youth welfare officer following his retirement from football?
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... that the footballer Jeff Chandler began his career at Blackpool after being recommended to the club by his former school teacher? - ALT2:
... that the footballer Jeff Chandler was recommend to his first club Blackpool by the son of former club captain Harry Johnston?
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5x expanded by Kosack (talk). Self-nominated at 11:51, 6 September 2016 (UTC).
- Reviewed: M. Manikandan
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- ✓ This biographical article has been expanded from 797 chars to 5951 chars since 20:37, 27 July 2016 (UTC), a 7.47-fold expansion
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- ✓ The hook ALT0 is an appropriate length at 100 characters
- ✓ The hook ALT1 is an appropriate length at 125 characters
- ✗ Kosack has more than 5 DYK credits. A QPQ review is required for this nomination.
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- Why is ALT0 or ALT1 interesting? Lots of athletes take up jobs in retirement, sometimes involving coaching or youth counseling or such. And lots of athletes' careers start after a teacher or coach recommends them. EEng 19:28, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- @EEng: Well it's the first former footballer I know of that has worked as a youth counselor. But if they're not interesting enough, I've added another alt that is a bit more interesting. Kosack (talk) 19:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- Google retired football youth counselor. Look, I'm kind of in a pissy mood so please take that into account, but how remarkable is it that a former player, or son of a former player, might put in a word for a promising young player? EEng 19:42, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- @EEng: The counselor role was notable enough for the newspaper source in the article to run a story on it. With ALT2, I was going more for the fact that Johnston is an all-time great of the club rather than just a former player. Kosack (talk) 19:48, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah, but it wasn't him, it was his son. And the story wasn't about his counseling work, it just mentions it briefly in passing. I'm trying to get you to find something actually interesting about his subject -- something you'd actually relate to someone else over dinner without that person saying, "So what?" EEng 20:05, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- @EEng: The counselor role was notable enough for the newspaper source in the article to run a story on it. With ALT2, I was going more for the fact that Johnston is an all-time great of the club rather than just a former player. Kosack (talk) 19:48, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- Google retired football youth counselor. Look, I'm kind of in a pissy mood so please take that into account, but how remarkable is it that a former player, or son of a former player, might put in a word for a promising young player? EEng 19:42, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- @EEng: The fact he is the son of Johnston is what makes it noteworthy in the first place, especially considering more than one of the sources makes reference to the situation. If he wasn't the son of a famous footballer it wouldn't have been mentioned. The newspaper article itself is titled "Chandler keeping kids on track" so it's not a footnote in the article, even if the newspaper covers his whole career and not just his current job. I'll admit there's nothing that literally jumps out of the page on this article but there's enough to be considered interesting to some. Kosack (talk) 20:26, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- Look, lots of stuff gets mentioned in sources that isn't even worth putting in our article, not to mention on the main page. That "considered interesting to some" is the standard to meet is the reason DYK is so full of stuff no one clicks on. Remember, I said I'm in a pissy mood. EEng 21:09, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- The current main hook with image on the front page can be basically condensed to "four people are competing in the Paralympics" which, in my opinion, can barely be considered a hook. Yet I have found three hooks on a subject that, although perhaps not hugely gripping to some, are hooks nonetheless. What is interesting and what is not is a massively subjective notion. Kosack (talk) 21:57, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- Complete agree about the main-page hook you mention. And most of what editors do here at WP is subjective. EEng 22:00, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- And your point is? So because you're on your own personal vendetta with DYK, this hook is considered unworthy as tens of other considerably weaker hooks will be approved in the meantime? Kosack (talk) 01:58, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- Please, just come up with someone that will actually make the reader perk up. EEng 03:29, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- Like I said, subjective.... Kosack (talk) 07:36, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- If it weren't, then robots instead of humans would do all the editing. Anyway, please do your best. EEng 07:54, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- This is where people get confused about hook value. "four people are competing in the Paralympics" may not look like a catchy hook, but if it's run while the Paralympics are still on, it will easily get over 1,000 page views. The key is reader interest, not just cleverness. Hawkeye7 (talk) 15:28, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- If it weren't, then robots instead of humans would do all the editing. Anyway, please do your best. EEng 07:54, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- Like I said, subjective.... Kosack (talk) 07:36, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- Please, just come up with someone that will actually make the reader perk up. EEng 03:29, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- And your point is? So because you're on your own personal vendetta with DYK, this hook is considered unworthy as tens of other considerably weaker hooks will be approved in the meantime? Kosack (talk) 01:58, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- Complete agree about the main-page hook you mention. And most of what editors do here at WP is subjective. EEng 22:00, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- The current main hook with image on the front page can be basically condensed to "four people are competing in the Paralympics" which, in my opinion, can barely be considered a hook. Yet I have found three hooks on a subject that, although perhaps not hugely gripping to some, are hooks nonetheless. What is interesting and what is not is a massively subjective notion. Kosack (talk) 21:57, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- Look, lots of stuff gets mentioned in sources that isn't even worth putting in our article, not to mention on the main page. That "considered interesting to some" is the standard to meet is the reason DYK is so full of stuff no one clicks on. Remember, I said I'm in a pissy mood. EEng 21:09, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that having incurred a serious knee injury in the fourth game of the 1987-1988 season with Bolton, Irish footballer Jeff Chandler said he was "never the same player after that"? Yoninah (talk) 23:00, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
- ALT3a: ... that Irish footballer Jeff Chandler was "never the same player" after a knee injury in the fourth game of the 1987–88 season with Bolton? EEng 02:05, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: I'm happy with either of those alternates. Thanks. Kosack (talk) 10:28, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
The QPQ has been done. No infringement found despite the high% for one site reported by the Detector. Article is big, new, and referenced enough. Neutral style is used. Many soccer players have article written that are soon deleted due to lack of notability, and in this case there is only one local newspaper and many database like entries used as references. So notability is not proven by the references used. However since he did play representing a county at the senior level, he meets WP:NFOOTY and the article won't be blasted off the face of Wikipedia. Hooks ALT3 and ALT3a are in the article with a reference. Confirmed by the source. Both hooks are short enough. ALT3a is shorter, but ALT3 is clearer. But either seems OK. Good to go. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:08, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
