Template:Did you know nominations/Jack Lemley
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 20:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
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Jack Lemley
... that American engineering manager Jack Lemley, credited with rescuing the Channel Tunnel project, had flown over seven million miles (eleven million kilometres), or 300 times around the globe, in a fifty year long career?Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/american-manager-oversaw-digging-of-channel-tunnel-11639157433 https://insurancenewsnet.com/oarticle/Boises-Jack-Lemley-who-rescued-the-Chunnel-looks-back-on-a-just-finished-care-a-393740- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Václav Jírů
- Comment: Please note that the regular DYK check for expansion will not work on this one because the article had been WP:STUBIFYed in December of 2018. Manual expansion check should be done. Thanks.
5x expanded by Ktin (talk). Self-nominated at 19:38, 11 December 2021 (UTC).
- Ktin, I don't believe previous stubification makes an article eligible to be considered for 5x expansion based on the shorter stub length, with the exception of copyright violations that have been removed. Is there a part of WP:DYKRULES or WP:DYKSG that I'm missing? Regards, DanCherek (talk) 23:49, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- @DanCherek: 5x expansion began from this version. Please have a look. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 23:56, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- More details can be seen here WP:DYKCRIT. Specifically,
Former redirects, stubs, disambiguation pages, and other pages in which the prose portion has been expanded fivefold or more within the past seven days are also acceptable as "new" articles. The content with which the article has been expanded must be new content, not text copied from other articles. The length of both the old and new versions of the article is calculated based on prose character count, not word count. Prose character count excludes wiki markup, templates, lists, tables, and references. See WP:DYKcheck for instructions and details.
Thanks.- Yes, it has no doubt been expanded more than 5x since that stubby version, but it was longer before that. According to WP:DYKSG A4:
Fivefold expansion is calculated from the previously existing article, no matter how bad it was (copyvios are an exception), no matter whether you kept any of it
. In this case, not much of the previously existing article was kept, but I don't think that we can just ignore it for DYK purposes. DanCherek (talk) 00:02, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, it has no doubt been expanded more than 5x since that stubby version, but it was longer before that. According to WP:DYKSG A4:
Thanks for your patience on this nomination, I hope you didn't mind the slight hold-up
Moving ahead with the review: New enough, long enough, sourced, neutrally written, no copyvio detected; hook is cited and interesting but slightly too long at 221 characters. What do you think of trimming it a bit like this?
ALT0a: ... that American engineering manager Jack Lemley, credited with rescuing the Channel Tunnel project, flew over 7 million miles (11 million kilometres) in his 50-year career?
Awaiting QPQ. DanCherek (talk) 01:16, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks DanCherek. Absolutely no issues with the hold-up. :) Added QPQ. Also adding ALT0b. Please see if this might work better. Cheers.
ALT0b: ... that American engineering manager Jack Lemley, credited with rescuing the Channel Tunnel project, flew over 7 million miles (11 million kilometres) or 300 times around the globe?Ktin (talk) 02:07, 29 December 2021 (UTC)- @Ktin: I have two comments about that... first, the conversion would be ~280 times (the article specifies "almost 300"), and I'd want to add a qualifier like "the equivalent of XXX times", since otherwise the hook would make it sound like he actually circled the earth 300 times, instead of a unit conversion. Thoughts? DanCherek (talk) 02:52, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- ALT0c: ... that American engineering manager Jack Lemley, credited with rescuing the Channel Tunnel project, flew over 7 million miles (11 million kilometres) or about 300 times around the globe?
- ALT0d: ... that American engineering manager Jack Lemley, credited with rescuing the Channel Tunnel project, flew over 7 million miles (11 million kilometres) equivalent to about 300 times around the globe?
- @DanCherek: I have updated ALT0c and ALT0d. I actually think ALT0c is alright, but, happy to go with either. Ktin (talk) 03:11, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Ktin: I have two comments about that... first, the conversion would be ~280 times (the article specifies "almost 300"), and I'd want to add a qualifier like "the equivalent of XXX times", since otherwise the hook would make it sound like he actually circled the earth 300 times, instead of a unit conversion. Thoughts? DanCherek (talk) 02:52, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
