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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:30, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

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J. P. Crawford

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Improved to Good Article status by TheGracefulSlick (talk). Self-nominated at 22:10, 20 November 2017 (UTC).

  • @TheGracefulSlick: Do you think you could come up with a more accessible hook for non-baseball fans? I had to click through to one of the articles just to figure out what sport this referred to. It seems that the interesting-ness of the hook relies upon the reader knowing who Jimmy Rollins is, which I assume most people outside the U.S. don't. 97198 (talk) 10:59, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
  • 97198 it would be difficult, considering Crawford is only known as a baseball player. I considered this hook interesting because Rollins was the face of the Phillies franchise for about a decade and is a probable hall-of-famer; even casual fans know of J-Roll's career and that means Crawford, his replacement, has an extraordinarily high ceiling that I thought was interesting to sports fans. Crawford has not had a long career yet so the only other interesting thing I could think of is the fact he was drafted straight out of high school.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 02:59, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
GA, in time, long enough, sourced, inline hook citation checks out, neutral, no apparent copyvios, QPQ done. TheGracefulSlick & 97198, what about "... superseding Jimmy Rollins, the face of their franchise"? It would need to also be added to the article and cited, but would add context for non-baseball fans. --Usernameunique (talk) 05:39, 12 December 2017 (UTC) Correcting error and re-pinging: TheGracefulSlick & 97198 --Usernameunique (talk) 05:40, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Usernameunique, while Rollins is recognized as their former franchise player, sources talking about Crawford do not describe him as such; he is called "MVP-caliber", "former MVP", and "their leader", however. If I used sources on Rollins, that would be WP:SYNTH. As a compromise, would my new hook, describing Rollins as a former MVP, help non-baseball fans recognized he was an important player?TheGracefulSlick (talk) 22:47, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
TheGracefulSlick, that's fine by me. Language about Rollins being an MVP just needs to be in the article. --Usernameunique (talk) 01:49, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Usernameunique the text has been adjusted. Thank you for coming to the rescue of this review!TheGracefulSlick (talk) 03:23, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
TheGracefulSlick, happy to review it. The source doesn't back the MVP statement about Rollins however. Just need to add a source which says he won it. --Usernameunique (talk) 03:39, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Usernameunique yes, my bad. I added the source.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 04:24, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
all set now. --Usernameunique (talk) 05:19, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
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