Template:Did you know nominations/J. Nash McCrea

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 18:28, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

J. Nash McCrea

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... that when cyclist J. Nash McCrea, who was nicknamed "Crash," competed at the Olympics, he caused a crash that took out eight competitors? Source: America's First Olympics pp. 128, 129 (note that it first says you can't view page 129, but then when you hit "clear search" it allows you to)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Grants Pass High School (I could do another if you'd like)

5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:18, 2 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/J. Nash McCrea; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - Could be improved

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is long enough, 5x expanded as required, no apparent copyright or plagiarism, QPQ complete. BeanieFan11, please expand reference 6. Bare URLs are not allowed for DYK, and this is close to that. Hook is technically short enough but a bit too detailed IMO and could be improved. Some suggestions below. Airborne84 (talk) 01:56, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that cyclist J. Nash McCrea, nicknamed "Crash," caused a major crash at the Olympics?
ALT2: ... that cyclist J. Nash McCrea who caused a major crash at the 1904 Olympics was nicknamed "Crash"?

@Airborne84: Ref six is not a bare url, it says '"1904 Summer Olympics - 5 miles, men". Olympedia.' – I don't think it could be expanded further. As for the hooks, I think ALT1 is alright, not as big a fan of ALT2. What about these:

ALT3: ... that when cyclist J. Nash McCrea, nicknamed "Crash," competed at the Olympics, he caused a crash that took out eight competitors?

ALT4: ... that when cyclist J. Nash McCrea, nicknamed "Crash," competed at the Olympics, he caused a major crash?

BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:01, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Or another option, we could make the hook silly for April Fools day:

ALT5: ... that a major cycling crash at the Olympics was caused by Crash?

ALT6: ... that Crash caused a major Olympic cycling crash?

BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:03, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks BeanieFan11. I expanded that reference slightly. If anything looks inaccurate, feel free to revert. The other edit I made was a mistake, but I was interrupted and you reverted before I could. ALT3 isn't bad, I just think it's implied he competed at the Olympics. If someone wants to know if he did, the hook just pulled them in. No issues with ALT 5 or 6, although I have no knowledge of the queue for April Fools Day. I leave the hook to the promoter. I prefer ALT1. ALT3 also works. If we are looking for material for April Fools Day, ALT5 and ALT6 are fine as well. Thanks!Airborne84 (talk) 01:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11 and Airborne84: I am promoting ALT1 ~~to a quirky slot~~, but I thought this hook ALT1a may be more interesting? I only added the cyclist age and the year 1904? Let me know what you think, and if you think the extras are not needed we can stay with the promoted hook.

ALT1a: ... that 17 year old cyclist J. Nash McCrea, nicknamed "Crash," caused a major crash at the 1904 Olympics? Bruxton (talk) 18:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Bruxton, I like ALT1a. Thanks!Airborne84 (talk) 19:25, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, will see what @Cielquiparle: since I have already promoted ALT1 and the hook would only need a bit of tweaking. Bruxton (talk) 19:59, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

ALT1a looks good. Think it's actually quite important to say it's the 1904 Olympics, because anyone who follows Olympic history knows that that is the "outlier" Olympics in St. Louis that was held under unusual circumstances. Anyway it would make me more likely to click. Cielquiparle (talk) 20:14, 11 March 2023 (UTC)