Template:Did you know nominations/Isle of Skye: From Chieftain to King
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 17:20, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
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Isle of Skye: From Chieftain to King
- ... that the board game Isle of Skye: From Chieftain to King won the 2016 Kennerspiel des Jahres (connoisseur game of the year)? Source: "This 3 times 2015 Golden Geek Awards Nominee and 2016 Kennerspiel des Jahres winner is rich with details..." Isle of Skye: From Chieftain to King Game Review: Come With Me to the Winged Isle
- ALT1: ... that a player is more likely to win Isle of Skye: From Chieftain to King the more whiskey they have? See rules (page 5, bottom left of PDF page 2) and Best 15 board games for adults in 2021 ("You'll earn money depending on how much whiskey you've produced...")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/My Child Lebensborn; see my DYK tracker
Created by Mindmatrix (talk). Self-nominated at 15:33, 25 November 2021 (UTC).
This is more of a comment but a review, but the hook as currently written seems to be rather niche. Can other hooks be proposed here? I think a hook that also mentions the other awards could be promising, or maybe a hook about the connection to the island could work. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I've expanded the article with end-of-game scoring, and added ALT1 above. Mindmatrix 15:27, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
New enough when nominated, long enough, neutral, well-cited, QPQ done. A good introduction to the topic. ALT1 is a bit awkwardly phrased. What do you think of the following, or do you want to propose another?
- ALT2: ... that in Isle of Skye: From Chieftain to King players earn money by brewing whiskey? Best 15 board games for adults in 2021 ("You'll earn money depending on how much whiskey you've produced...") HouseOfChange (talk) 03:03, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- While I'm fine with ALT1 or ALT2, I'm a bit worried about either falling afoul of the in-universe clause given this recent discussion at WT:DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:59, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, I was unaware of that discussion, so thanks for pointing it out. I notice that several reviewers compare the game to Carcassonne, a classic game, but this is not mentioned in the article. Meeple reviewer complained the player shield should be wider. I am not seeing a hooky out-of-universe fact in the article, but maybe one or more could be added. HouseOfChange (talk) 06:03, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- While I'm fine with ALT1 or ALT2, I'm a bit worried about either falling afoul of the in-universe clause given this recent discussion at WT:DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:59, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Added some stuff that could be hooky and permitted:
- ALT3: ... that the designers of Isle of Skye: From Chieftain to King also created Broom Service, winning the Kennerspiel des Jahres two years in a row? Theology of Games "this is the second Kennerspiel win in a row for designers Andreas Pelikan and Alexander Pfister. (They won last year for Broom Service.)" (This fact also supported by award pages cited in article from official Spiel des Jahres website)
- ALT4: ... that the 2016 Kennerspiel des Jahres went to Isle of Skye: From Chieftain to King , whose designers had won in 2015 with Broom Service? HouseOfChange (talk) 16:07, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
@Mindmatrix: if these out-of-universe hooks are ok with Narutolovehinata5, are they also OK with you? Do you want to refine or improve one? I would like to approve this for DYK once there is a usable hook you like. HouseOfChange (talk) 23:11, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Mindmatrix: Fixing ping and the above comment. As for the hooks, my preference is actually ALT2 because in my opinion gameplay does not count as in-universe (since it's talking about "players" and a game mechanic rather than the actual plot of the game), although just to be sure I'd suggest raising this on WT:DYK too. In case ALT2 doesn't work out then ALT3 could work as a backup (I feel that the hook is a bit niche, although the mention of back-to-back awards could be enough to raise interest). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:25, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- @HouseOfChange and Narutolovehinata5: I've added a few more tidbits to the article, albeit nothing hook-worthy. If the promoter finds ALT2 acceptable, let's go with that. Otherwise, any hook is fine, though ALT3 is preferable to ALT4 in my opinion. Maybe there's a quirky hook hidden in the reception section's last sentence to suggest "adult-themed", such as ...that a review of Isle of Skye: From Chieftain to King stated it was a "most enjoyable" adult board game?" I dunno. Mindmatrix 01:33, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Mindmatrix: Fixing ping and the above comment. As for the hooks, my preference is actually ALT2 because in my opinion gameplay does not count as in-universe (since it's talking about "players" and a game mechanic rather than the actual plot of the game), although just to be sure I'd suggest raising this on WT:DYK too. In case ALT2 doesn't work out then ALT3 could work as a backup (I feel that the hook is a bit niche, although the mention of back-to-back awards could be enough to raise interest). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:25, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Approved with ALT2, if the promoter agrees that describing gameplay describes the real world, not an in-universe one. Or, if the promoter disagrees, ALT3 is also acceptable. Thanks to all! HouseOfChange (talk) 03:49, 13 December 2021 (UTC)