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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 12:50, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

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Isla San Telmo

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Created by Wkc19 (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk), and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 01:39, 30 April 2015 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: No - Hook is pretty boring. I would suggest one on either the submarine shipwreck or something from the history section would be more interesting
QPQ: Done.

Overall: No problems with the article itself - would you mind suggesting a new hook? (Or I can, but then I wouldn't be allowed to review it.) --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:39, 6 May 2015 (UTC) @ThaddeusB: Name a hook which isn't boring? The point is the article not the hook or am I missing something all these years?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

  • @ThaddeusB: Thanks for the review. How about this ALT1 Hook? ... that the Japanese intended to destroy the strategically important Panama Canal in 1942 with the submarine whose wreck was found on the beach of Isla San Telmo? --Nvvchar. 07:04, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
@Nvvchar: On closer examination, it does not appear that the article is accurate. Page xxi-xxii of Delgado does report the German conclusion as stated, but it appears that this was just an educated guess by a non-archaeologist diver. The real origin of the submarine, as reported on page xxiv is the American Civil War. Hence the title of the book, "Misadventures of a Civil War Submarine". See also this news story and our article on it. The San Telmo article will need fixed and linked to the sub's article. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:27, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • @ThaddeusB: Thanks. A very fine link. I have added to the text as suggested. I am now proposing two alternative hooks with an image.

Hull of Sub Marine Explorer Wreck in Panama Canal

ALT2 ... that Jim Delgrado of the Vancouver Maritime Museum established that the wreck (pictured) in the coast of Isla San Telmo was the Sub Marine Explorer, the first of its kind called an "iron coffin"?

ALT3 ... that the wreck (pictured) found off the coast of Isla San Telmo was established by Jim Delgrado as the Sub Marine Explorer, first of its kind designed by a German engineer? --Nvvchar. 09:50, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

  • Reviewer needed for newly proposed ALT hooks, and to make sure the issues noted by ThaddeusB regarding the submarine have been addressed. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:50, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
  • New alts are verified by provided citations. Image is freely licensed and used in the article. I would suggest a slight re-word/clarification of the hook (to show was "of its kind" means):
ALT3a ... that the wreck (pictured) found off the coast of Isla San Telmo was established by Jim Delgrado as one of the first submarines ever built?
I would think that slight word change wouldn't require another review, but that is up the the DYK promoter to decide. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:38, 26 May 2015 (UTC) Another slight tweak to 3a 07:36, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
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