Template:Did you know nominations/Isabelle Urquhart
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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet talk 05:54, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Isabelle Urquhart
Isabelle Urquhart, c. 1892
... that Broadway actress Isabelle Urquhart (pictured) started a fashion trend in 1886 when she stopped wearing petticoats to show off her figure?Source: "Over this innovation of Urquhart, men raved, and women, taking the hint, became imitators. Petticoats disappeared from female attire. In place of the bulging hourglass type of dress, adored by the Dutch, American women became an anatomy, a slender, clinging thing of beauty. ... This startling change in female attire followed so pat upon the appearance and action of Miss Urquhart that I have ventured to credit her with its origin" from: Wilson, Francis. Francis Wilson's Life of Himself. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1924. p. 86. via Google Books. https://www.google.com/books/edition/Francis_Wilson_s_Life_of_Himself/yp4qAAAAMAAJ?hl=en
Improved to Good Article status by Rublamb (talk). Self-nominated at 00:20, 30 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Isabelle Urquhart; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Article looks good: nicely sourced, long enough, promoted (just) within the window to GA. QPQ is done. Image is appropriately licensed, and I can see no issues with plagiarism, copyvio or other major concerns. I do think the hook is a bit unclear: was "show[ing] off her figure" the reason she wore petticoats or the reason she stopped? UndercoverClassicist T·C 14:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- @UndercoverClassicist, the reason she stopped. Is there a better way to say this? Rublamb (talk) 14:48, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- How about
(ALT1) "... that Broadway actress Isabelle Urquhart (pictured) started a fashion trend in 1886 by giving up petticoats to show off her figure?"It's not perfect at all: it's tricky both to get rid of the word stop and to avoid the ambiguity if we don't. UndercoverClassicist T·C 15:04, 31 October 2023 (UTC)- I feel like "giving up" is vague and not typically used to describe clothing. We give up chocolate or smoking, but we wear clothing. What is the issue with the word "stop"? I can't diagram a sentence here, but the original version is grammatically correct, with the adverb clause in the correct position to make sense to a reader. If another version is truly needed, maybe this will work: Broadway actress Isabelle Urquhart started a fashion trend when she revealed her figure on stage by not wearing petticoats Or Broadway actress Isabelle Urquhart started a fashion trend when she decided to reveal her figure on stage by not wearing petticoats. Rublamb (talk) 18:18, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- Both of those are great; which do you want to go with? UndercoverClassicist T·C 19:07, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- I feel like "giving up" is vague and not typically used to describe clothing. We give up chocolate or smoking, but we wear clothing. What is the issue with the word "stop"? I can't diagram a sentence here, but the original version is grammatically correct, with the adverb clause in the correct position to make sense to a reader. If another version is truly needed, maybe this will work: Broadway actress Isabelle Urquhart started a fashion trend when she revealed her figure on stage by not wearing petticoats Or Broadway actress Isabelle Urquhart started a fashion trend when she decided to reveal her figure on stage by not wearing petticoats. Rublamb (talk) 18:18, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- How about
- @UndercoverClassicist, the reason she stopped. Is there a better way to say this? Rublamb (talk) 14:48, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- @UndercoverClassicist:, Let's go with ALT2 below. Thanks for working on this with me. Rublamb (talk) 19:02, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- (ALT2) "... that Broadway actress Isabelle Urquhart (pictured) started a fashion trend when she decided to reveal her figure on stage by not wearing petticoats?"
Happy to approve that; suggest linking Broadway, but that can be done by the promoting admin. UndercoverClassicist T·C 19:10, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
