Template:Did you know nominations/Ira Nadel

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The result was: promoted by Orlady (talk) 14:34, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Ira Nadel

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... that Ira Nadel, the Canadian literary critic, considers the legend of the Olympic torch relay a total fabrication?

Comment: Article expanded at least five-fold; previously BLP unsourced. (Hook not all that pertinent to the article; but true and eye-catching).

Created by Rmnadel18. Expanded by Churn and change. Nominated by Churn and change (talk) at 22:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

First the text. New enough, long enough, neutral, well-sourced (AGF for the dead trees), no copyvio found. A couple of pedantic comments though:

It appears from the source that he became associate professor at UBC in 1977, not 1976.
The New York Times source requires login.
The text "He believes a biography should tell the reader who the subject is" is referenced to Nadel himself. Maybe that should be "He says he believes ..."?

Now the hook. The sources say (1) he was “surprised” at the use of 1936 relay footage in a video, and (2) he says the relay was a German invention. It's clear he's sceptical about it, but I can't see how that extends to actually opposing the modern relay. Maybe the hook could be reworded?

Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 15:57, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the review.

I fixed the year.
See Talk:Ira_Nadel for the relevant parts of the NY Times articles. Note that creating an account on NY Times is free and trivial, and they are a strong secondary source.
Changed the wording to "As per Nadel, a biography should tell the reader who the subject is . . ."
Will edit the hook to say "Nadel considers the legend of the spirit of the Olympic torch relay a total fabrication" His exact words as quoted in the sources are: "The Olympic torch relay is a total fabrication". That doesn't technically make literal semantic sense, and he seems to be stating "The [legend/story/myth of the spirit of] the Olympic torch relay is a total fabrication"
Also, as to the AGF on print books, I have added Google Books URLs. I am not quite sure how stable those URLs are, however. Churn and change (talk) 19:43, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Nice work. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 20:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm concerned that the reference citation used to support this hook isn't a reliable source. It's a 2011 blog re-posting of a 2009 article in a newspaper, and the Wikipedia citation doesn't mention the original publication location or date. We can't use blogs to support DYK hooks. --Orlady (talk) 03:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Fixed reference to point to the original source—The Globe and Mail. Churn and change (talk) 05:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

All fixed. Thanks! --Orlady (talk) 14:10, 9 August 2012 (UTC)