Template:Did you know nominations/Hypericum grandifolium
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 00:26, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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Hypericum grandifolium
- ... that garden plants like Hypericum grandifolium have the potential to escape from cultivation and become invasive? Source: "suspected to have spread from horticultural plantings in Marin County" CAL IPC report, "on the Cal-IPC watch list of potentially invasive species" NPS report
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mystery of Crowning (second article, Hanānā)
- Comment: Old QPQ, but never claimed. If it is ineligible let me know and I have another one. Going to GAN soon, any miscellaneous input is always appreciated!
5x expanded by Fritzmann2002 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:16, 27 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hypericum grandifolium; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Looking over the article I find that it is long enough, neutral, copyright problem free, and well sourced. Also well written. Also I think an old QPQ is good, probably encourages more reviewing. I'm sure someone will correct me if there is something against it in policy. The only hold up for me is that I think the hook could be more interesting. Maybe with another cite to something like this paper on island endemism it could be: ALT1: "... that unlike most plants that evolved on islands the large-leaved St John's wort has become invasive on other continents?"What do you think, @Fritzmann2002? I think a little editing could make this hook-y. 🌿MtBotany (talk)) 18:43, 5 February 2024 (UTC)- @MtBotany: I agree that there are definitely more hook-y fact that could be used, but I don't think that the part about "most plants that evolved on islands" is backed up by the article. I didn't come across that in any of the sources I used, but if you have one that says that and we could include it in the article that would be a great hook. Fritzmann (message me) 19:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Fritzmann2002:, On reflection you are quite correct, that's fact is too close to original research. I tried again looking for a source that actually investigated the relative likelihood of island endemics to become invasive vs. continental native species and came up dry.
I think maybe a slight rewrite of your fact might work. I think just using the common English name or one of the Spanish names might perk it up slightly. I found a source for another name that I added to the article, "corazoncillo", that might improve it. What do you think? 🌿MtBotany (talk)) 18:38, 6 February 2024 (UTC)- @MtBotany: how about ALT2: ... that popular garden plants like malfurada often escape from cultivation and become invasive? Just a little punchier. Fritzmann (message me) 19:42, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- This one might be a little bit of a stretch but definitely more intriguing: ALT3: ... that "little hearts" escaped from captivity to invade California? Fritzmann (message me) 19:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Fritzmann2002: I think translating its name as "little hearts" is completely fair. If anyone needs another source on this being a diminutive here is an entry from the Real Academia Española. I'll give it a day for other editors to weigh in on if that is a fair translation and then approve it as the preferred ALT, sound good? 🌿MtBotany (talk)) 20:25, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Works for me! Fritzmann (message me) 03:11, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Fritzmann2002: Potential minor problem, when researching this morning I found that "corazoncillo" is also a common name for Hypericum perforatum. Corazoncillo at Linguee. I think it does not invalidate "little hearts", but I am thinking I should note on the page that it shares the name with the other species. 🌿MtBotany (talk)) 17:42, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- I think that note would be fine, the promoter can also pick between ALT2 and ALT3 if they think one is too ambiguous. Fritzmann (message me) 18:48, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Fritzmann2002: Potential minor problem, when researching this morning I found that "corazoncillo" is also a common name for Hypericum perforatum. Corazoncillo at Linguee. I think it does not invalidate "little hearts", but I am thinking I should note on the page that it shares the name with the other species. 🌿MtBotany (talk)) 17:42, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
We've had a good discussion on hooks and now this is ready. I always enjoy taking a look at your work @Fritzmann2002:. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 21:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)