Template:Did you know nominations/Herr, stärke mich, dein Leiden zu bedenken
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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 16:57, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
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Herr, stärke mich, dein Leiden zu bedenken
... that in "Herr, stärke mich, dein Leiden zu bedenken", reflections of the theological and emotional impact of the Passion of Jesus by Christian Fürchtegott Gellert, evoke an older hymn by the melody?Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Lorena Feijóo, Lorna Feijóo
- Comment: best on Saturday 3 April - it's reflection, so can be after the action, but shouldn't be Easter
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 09:57, 30 March 2021 (UTC).
The article is new enough, long enough, and is within policy. The hook is verifiable to the source, and the article is well referenced overall. Good work.4meter4 (talk) 19:27, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
This hook is too convoluted and the word "evoke" is used inappropriately. Please suggest a different hook. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:18, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- What word would you use for him using the melody which makes a singer remember the content of the older hymn, which seems the unique thing to say about this song? Can we distinguish somehow reflection (in the new) and description in the old? Any help welcome, even if the time to reflect this especially is over. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- When I copyedited the article, I changed "tart-sad" to "bitter-sad", but neither seems good to me, and the intended meaning is more likely to be the idiomatic "bitter-sweet". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:52, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- ALT1
... that the melody to which "Herr, stärke mich, dein Leiden zu bedenken" is sung, had originally been used for an older hymn by Johann Heermann?- Thank you for trying but sorry, no. Link to the former lyricist who didn't even write that melody? We have many lyrics written for older melodies, and even had hooks of the sort. The special thing here is that the new author planned that a singer remembered the (famous) content of the older song, so he could focus on something else: reflection of theolological AND emotional impact. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:08, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- I knew it was pointless suggesting an alternative hook. I will bow out here. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:39, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- I'd love an ALT, but it should be better than what we have. At least it should link to the familar older song, not it's creator. Trying:
- ALT2:
... that in "Herr, stärke mich, dein Leiden zu bedenken", hymn writer Christian Fürchtegott Gellert reflected the theological and emotional impact of the Passion of Jesus, using a familiar Passion hymn tune?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 20 April 2021 (UTC)- @Gerda Arendt: Your alt is 203 characters long. SL93 (talk) 11:12, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2a: ... that in "Herr, stärke mich, dein Leiden zu bedenken", Christian Fürchtegott Gellert reflected the theological and emotional impact of the Passion of Jesus, using a familiar Passion hymn tune? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:17, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Your alt is 203 characters long. SL93 (talk) 11:12, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- I knew it was pointless suggesting an alternative hook. I will bow out here. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:39, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for trying but sorry, no. Link to the former lyricist who didn't even write that melody? We have many lyrics written for older melodies, and even had hooks of the sort. The special thing here is that the new author planned that a singer remembered the (famous) content of the older song, so he could focus on something else: reflection of theolological AND emotional impact. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:08, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- What word would you use for him using the melody which makes a singer remember the content of the older hymn, which seems the unique thing to say about this song? Can we distinguish somehow reflection (in the new) and description in the old? Any help welcome, even if the time to reflect this especially is over. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Approving ALT2a as a better hook. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:15, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
