Template:Did you know nominations/Hermin Esser
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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:53, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
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Hermin Esser
[edit]- ... that Hermin Esser performed almost all Wagner tenor roles at the Bayreuth Festival, beginning in 1966 as Froh and ending in 1981 as Tristan? Source: [1]
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- Comment: the only role I see missing in the listing at the bottom of the source is Siegfried
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 08:38, 31 May 2019 (UTC).
This article is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. The "almost all" in the hook is the only problem. If you can find a source that states that, or lists every Wagner tenor role, it would be fine, but if you are relying on your own knowledge of tenor roles in Wagner's operas, then its original research, and won't do. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:55, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
- I wouldn't know where to find such a source, Wagner wasn't Rossini, the number of his stage works is small, and all have articles. We could go and count the roles and say how many he sang in Bayreuth (14)? Or say that he performed both David and Stolzing in Meistersinger? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:29, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
- Have you tried searching for articles that discuss Esser's career? I just checked the source you provided for ALT0 and the machine translation I used didn't say that he "performed almost all Wagner tenor roles", only that he was known for playing such roles. If you can find another source that verifies that hook fact, then this should be good to go. If not, I'd suggest, if possible, trying to expand the article with more information about reviews and personal life (if they exist) since nothing else in the article seems hook worthy at this point. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:26, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- He performed at a time when newspaper didn't get online, and he didn't record much, so what you ask would be tough, and I'm behind with many other topics. (Want to write a GA, desperately.) How is this:
- ALT1: ... that Hermin Esser performed 14 tenor roles at the Bayreuth Festival dedicated exclusively to stageworks by Richard Wagner, beginning in 1966 as Froh and ending in 1981 as Tristan? -- please check my counting. Feel free to compare to any other singer's list at the festival, - I don't know anything parallel. The festival only performs his major works, Holländer, Lohengrin, Tannhäser, Ring (4), Meistersinger, Tristan, Parsifal, which are 10. 14 is amazing, and it is almost all because all would be 16 (missing Siegfried in Siegfried, and Siegfried in Götterdämmerung. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:48, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- compare Wolfgang Windgassen (famous) 8. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- compare Manfred Jung, the tenor of the Jahrhundertring, who also sang almost all Wagner tenor roles (and his hook said something like it), but in Bayreuth only 5. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:56, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- Aufführungsdatenbank https://www.bayreuther-festspiele.de/fsdb/mitwirkende/hermin-esser/ lists 14 different roles in 8 operas in Bayreuth Grimes2 (talk) 15:43, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Hermin Esser performed 14 tenor roles at the Bayreuth Festival in eight stageworks by Richard Wagner, beginning in 1966 as Froh and ending in 1981 as Tristan? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I can't see all the facts in either ALT1 or ALT2 in the article. For example, 1981 is not mentioned in the article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:04, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Last role in Bayreuth in 1981 added to article. Grimes2 (talk) 09:22, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you, sorry for the long delay. So now we have a reference for his last role. We don't have an inline citation for his first role, and I see no mention in the article of 14 tenor roles in 8 stageworks, a requirement for DYK. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:44, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
- I duplicated the ref, and added the numbers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you, sorry for the long delay. So now we have a reference for his last role. We don't have an inline citation for his first role, and I see no mention in the article of 14 tenor roles in 8 stageworks, a requirement for DYK. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:44, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
- Last role in Bayreuth in 1981 added to article. Grimes2 (talk) 09:22, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I can't see all the facts in either ALT1 or ALT2 in the article. For example, 1981 is not mentioned in the article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:04, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Have you tried searching for articles that discuss Esser's career? I just checked the source you provided for ALT0 and the machine translation I used didn't say that he "performed almost all Wagner tenor roles", only that he was known for playing such roles. If you can find another source that verifies that hook fact, then this should be good to go. If not, I'd suggest, if possible, trying to expand the article with more information about reviews and personal life (if they exist) since nothing else in the article seems hook worthy at this point. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:26, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:30, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
