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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 13:26, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Herbert Tarr

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  • ... that Rabbi Herbert Tarr left the pulpit to write novels because he believed that "religion is basically out of touch with people"?

Created/expanded by NearTheZoo (talk). Self nom at 17:53, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

  • The power outages of Hurricane Sandy are certainly a good reason to nominate an article a day late. Article is long enough and well-sourced. No close paraphrasing seen in sources. Hook ref verified. I tweaked the hook on one word. However, I notice that you also created The Conversion of Chaplain Cohen on the same day. Are you able to bring that article up to 1500 characters for a double nomination? Yoninah (talk) 18:48, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Yoninah, for this great idea. I'm searching for more info for the book article. NearTheZoo (talk) 19:54, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
  • OK, Done! The article is now long enough to include in a double DYK nomination. The hook ends up being a little long when both articles are mentioned, but here is my recommendation for an alternative hook:
  • ALT1:... that Rabbi Herbert Tarr, author of The Conversion of Chaplain Cohen, left the pulpit to write novels because he believed that "religion is basically out of touch with people"? NearTheZoo (talk) 04:32, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
  • The hook length is fine – 174 characters. Second article is new enough, long enough, well-referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. I restructured the article based on other Wikipedia articles about novels, and left a question mark under "Background" for you to fill in. Please also review another DYK article to cover the second hook. Yoninah (talk) 10:21, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Dear Yoninah, while I very much appreciate your putting time into the article, I disagree with some of your decisions regarding material you deleted. For example, you took out all the explanation regarding the title of the book: the idea that Chaplain Cohen's "conversion" was not from one religion to another, but from a narrow perspective of a rabbi born and raised in a Jewish area in Brooklyn to the more universal vision of a chaplain who will minister to men and women of all religions. Please give me time to put some of this material back in before you make any further changes. If you don't like what I put back in, let's discuss the changes on the talk page of the article. Would that be all right? Also, in terms of finding the date for the end of his service as a chaplain, I have reviewed everything online and can't find that info -- and even paid for a review from the New York Times in order to find more information, but can't find it. I can guess it was 1958, because an initial military assignment as a chaplain is 3 years, but I don't want to put any non-referenced info in the article. For now, I will change (and hope you agree) the wording so that it does not give any definite date for the end of the assignment, but more closely follows the information provided in the references (such as the obituaries) -- and in the article on Herbert Tarr. I sincerely hope this will be a change with which you agree. Finally, I'm changing the statement that the book was "based on" Tarr's experiences to "inspired by" his experiences. (I guess "informed by" his experiences would also be a good way to say it, but "inspired by" is a good phrase I've seen in literary reviews regarding other authors who use their own experiences to inform their writing.) I think this is a good change--and it's possible that I was the one who first included the phrase "based on"! Anyway, please give me some time before you make more changes, and then take a look. I'll also follow your advice and review another DYK nomination. Again, thanks for all your help!! NearTheZoo (talk) 14:07, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Dear Yoninah, reviewed second article and added comment above. Replaced some of deleted material to explain book title. Rephrased wording based on lack of knowledge of end of author's chaplain experience. (If I ever come across a reference with that date, I can go back and add the date, but I don't think the date is necessary for the DYK nomination.) Hope everything looks good to go! Thanks for your help, because I think our collaboration has greatly improved the article! NearTheZoo (talk) 20:09, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I think you did an excellent job editing and improving the second article. Hook ref verified in both articles. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:52, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
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