Template:Did you know nominations/Henriette Spitzeder

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The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 20:52, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Henriette Spitzeder

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~~... that Henriette Spitzeder and her husband Josef Spitzeder appeared on stage as Mozart's Susanna and Figaro, a couple to be married?~~ Source: [1]

Reviewed: Piano Sonata No. 2 (Shostakovich)
Comment: Should we also mention that Mozart's opera was still quite young then (but we don't know exactly when they sang it together, between 1816 and 1819)? (if yes how?) ... that she died giving birth to their tenth child, not even age 28? (if yes how?)

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 10:33, 7 June 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Everything looks good to me. I'm AGF on the references, because they aren't in English. Copyvio OK, new enough, length is good. I suggested a wording change on the proposed hook & suggested another hook related to her death bearing her last child. Gerda Arendt, are you OK with any of the hooks? I have a preference for ALT2 but am fine with any of them. QuakerSquirrel (talk) 18:17, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Henriette Spitzeder and her husband Josef Spitzeder appeared on stage as Mozart's Figaro and his bride-to-be Susanna in The Marriage of Figaro? Source: [2]
ALT2: ... that German opera soprano Henriette Spitzeder died in childbirth at age 28, having given birth to 10 children? Spitzeder-Schüler, Henriette, Großes Sängerlexikon

Thank you for the review, QuakerSquirrel, but you are a bit too fast ;) - Seriously, you made two mistakes, 1) you shouldn't place any hooks above my signature, making them look as if I wrote them, 2) you should not approve hooks you wrote. I am not happy about ALT1 as it is because she certainly didn't perform in English, nor ALT3 because it seems a bit tabloid style to me. But how is this, based on your ALT1:

ALT1a: ... that Henriette Spitzeder and her husband Josef Spitzeder appeared on stage as Mozart's Figaro and his bride Susanna? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:11, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda Arendt -- now I know better. I just thought all hooks went at the top. ALT1a looks good to me. Does that mean that any time a reviewer suggests a new hook, they have to wait for a new reviewer? QuakerSquirrel (talk) 19:18, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Almost every time. If you just rephrase, as ALT1, you can argue that it isn't a new hook, but ALT2 is. You can do several things if you feel like proposing a new hook: 1) you suggest it to the nominator, 2) intentionally or not what happened here: you propose something the nominator will change, and then you can approve the variant, 3) you take the symbol from above, "new reviewer needed". If you want to approve ALT1a, go ahead, get the symbol down here and strike all others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Approving ALT1a per conversation above. QuakerSquirrel (talk) 12:53, 15 June 2021 (UTC)