Template:Did you know nominations/Heinz Wunderlich
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:19, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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Heinz Wunderlich
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- ... that the organ virtuoso and teacher Heinz Wunderlich held a Hamburg post that Bach wanted? Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Fiora Contino
- Comment: "last pupil" is short for "the pupil who lived the longest", - lots of anecdotes in that source if preferred, but not yet in the article
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:06, 6 December 2017 (UTC).
- On it, but off the bat "last pupil" ≠ "longest-lived pupil", regardless of sourcing. Easy enough to nix that from the hook, though, since that whole attributive clause isn't very interesting to begin with, is completely unrelated to the main thrust of the hook, and has a bunch of links pulling clicks off of the page you worked on.
G2G with emended ALT0. Just new enough, I think; long enough (~2k elig. chars.); no copyvio, unless of German sources via the German wiki; there's too much German for the sake of German in the article (Hauptkirche Sankt Jacobi for something whose article is at St James's Church; Musikhochschule for something whose article is at University of Music and Theatre; and several others), which is off-putting and should be fixed down the line but isn't dispositive for a DYK; well cited; "longest-lived" issues as above [fixed]; a job's misleading link to a church needs removed [fixed]; "the post" → "a post" since there's no cite supporting the idea that Bach only ever wanted this single position in Hamburg and never any other; picture not related to the job and not used in the article [removed]; hook highly misleading—it makes it sound like there was a more talented or better-connected musician who usurped a post directly from Bach instead of some random musician getting a job centuries later that Bach happened to apply for at one point—but is technically accurate and sourced and probably the most interesting thing that could be said about this figure, so approved pending the promoter's approval as well. — LlywelynII 12:29, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
- On it, but off the bat "last pupil" ≠ "longest-lived pupil", regardless of sourcing. Easy enough to nix that from the hook, though, since that whole attributive clause isn't very interesting to begin with, is completely unrelated to the main thrust of the hook, and has a bunch of links pulling clicks off of the page you worked on.
- Thank you for the review. Please next time don't change a hook but make an ALT, otherwise the conversation makes little sense. It's also not up to you to remove a suggested image, - the prep builder can do that. - Longest-lived is an awful phrase. Straube, however, is well-known, and I'd somehow like to express that Wunderlich - like probably no other - learned Reger's music by a friend of the composer. - St. James could be any church, but "Hauptkirche" will suggest even to someone who doesn't know German that it is something important ;) - Musikhochschule is the proper historic term, because it wasn't a University yet when Wunderlich studied and taught. - "the post" is short for "the post in Hamburg", and while Bach applied for many posts, there was only one in Hamburg, - nothing to a lesser church. I'll remove the "citation required" for things with a link, and for the abbreviation KMD which was introduced before. - The most interesting and most unique thing about this person is the Reger-Straube-connection, the next-most interesting that he studied in the East but fled to the West, which the original hook implied for those who know where Straube taught and Hamburg is located. Therefore the original back, modified, and an ALT:
- ALT1: ... that the organ virtuoso and teacher Heinz Wunderlich, a pupil of Reger's friend Karl Straube, held the Hamburg post (organ pictured) that Bach wanted?)
- ALT2: ... that Heinz Wunderlich, an organ virtuoso, church musician (organ pictured) and professor in Hamburg, studied in Leipzig with Karl Straube, a friend of Max Reger? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 14 December 2017 (UTC)