Template:Did you know nominations/Harutyun Shahrikyan
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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:36, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
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Harutyun Shahrikyan
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- ... that Harutyun Shahrikyan (pictured) was tortured and ultimately killed during the Armenian Genocide?
Created by Ruben Atom (talk). Nominated by EtienneDolet (talk) at 07:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC).
Created on 26 September. Length, references and neutrality are fine, with no evidence of close paraphrasing. The image is PD but not great quality; there is a better image in the article's infobox but the article creator has uploaded it as "own work" so its licensing/source would have to be corrected in order to use it (@EtienneDolet: if you fix the other image and want to use it for this nom, ping me here so I can reapprove it; if not, that's fine). The hook fact is cited and confirmed by ref #9 (the only one I could access). 97198 (talk) 04:45, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think this hook is very interesting. As awful as that is, but he is one of over a million victims of that genocide.--Carabinieri (talk) 08:56, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- As the old saying goes...One death can be a tragedy, but a massacre is just statistics. Sad but true.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:11, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
- Carabinieri (talk · contribs) I always thought people would be interested in torture and gruesome deaths. At any rate, an alternative could be:
ALT1 ... that Armenian political activist Harutyun Shahrikyan (pictured) once said, "The future, then, lies not in fusion – assimilation – but in a policy of unity"?
ALT2 ... that Armenian politician Harutyun Shahrikyan (pictured), participant in the Armenian–Tatar massacres of 1905–07, fell victim to the Armenian Genocide?--Georgejdorner (talk) 20:47, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Georgejdorner (talk · contribs) Participant? That makes him sound like he massacred people during the Armenian–Tatar massacres of 1905–07. Étienne Dolet (talk) 20:58, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
- As I read the article, indeed he did, even if he did not actually pull trigger.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:11, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
- Georgejdorner (talk · contribs) A participant of a massacre would mean to massacre someone. That's far some what he did. And as it turns out, in fact he was involved in self-defense efforts as source #8 suggests. Definitely not the participator of a massacre that the word "participant" appears to evoke. Hence, we should either go with ALT1 or provide another ALT to avoid such a misunderstandings. Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:13, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
- The comment above was based on the concept of shared responsibility; he who supplies ammunition is as responsible as he who pulls the trigger. However, if a deeper reading than mine reveals the case as self defense, then obviously the hook must go. Fair enough?Georgejdorner (talk) 20:51, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
- @97198: Sorry to bring you back to this page. Please let me know which hook you approve considering the discussion above. Right now there's the original hook and the ALT hook waiting to be checked out. Étienne Dolet (talk) 02:53, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
- The comment above was based on the concept of shared responsibility; he who supplies ammunition is as responsible as he who pulls the trigger. However, if a deeper reading than mine reveals the case as self defense, then obviously the hook must go. Fair enough?Georgejdorner (talk) 20:51, 10 October 2014 (UTC)