Template:Did you know nominations/Harisal
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by BlueMoonset (talk) 23:33, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Note: originally closed by Zanhe (talk) 19:18, 19 February 2018 (UTC); reclosing as withdrawn rather than rejected.
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Harisal
[edit]- ... that Harisal, a small village in Maharashtra, is India's first digital village? Source: [1]
Created by Fitindia (talk). Self-nominated at 11:44, 9 February 2018 (UTC).
Most of the article content is a direct copy-paste of the first source cited, census2011.co.in, marked at "Copyright Census Population 2015 Data". Some sentences and phrases are not actual copy-pasttes, but close paraphrasing that is nonetheless a copyright violation and not at all original prose. I recommend that the article be marked with {{Db-copyvio}} and Fitindia (talk · contribs) warned against further copy-pastes, close paraphrasing, and similar copyright violations.Leaving that aside, the biggest question mark in this article is "what is a digital village?" No links or explanatory content tells us this. The main source is The Economic Times, but the article is, like the copy-pasted source, written in pidgin English, and just on the other side of comprehensibility. Sthe second source cited, [2] is simply an identical copy of the first source. It's concerning that the same article that happend to be published on two sister websites (The Economic Times and ET Energy World) is presented as two different sources. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:23, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Dennis Bratland: Hi I just checked the copyvio here [3] which says 0% and here (which says there are 17 phrases matching in the article), but those are mostly sentences like elected representative of, harisal village harisal , population of children and female literacy rate. Also I will add a link explaining what is a digital village. Thank you for your review. FITINDIA 06:34, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- It's nice if a tool like that can detect copyving, but the best tool is to read, and see it with your eyes. For example, the sentence "The male literacy rate stands at 85.48 % and the female literacy rate at 69.82 %" is a direct copy of "Male literacy stands at 85.48 % while female literacy rate was 69.82 %." Even the odd tic of placing a space between a number and the percent sign is copy-pasted. The duplication detector fails to detect this as well. The entire paragraph is a near word-for-word gloss. The original source said "population of children with age 0-6 is 205 which makes up 13.86 % of total population of village." and this was paraphrased with only slight alteration to "The population of children aged 0–6 was 205, making up 13.86 % of the total population of the village." --Dennis Bratland (talk) 07:01, 11 February 2018 (UTC)"
- @Dennis Bratland: have rewritten those 2 phrases, please do have look. Thank you. FITINDIA 07:53, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- Those two sentences are only samples. Even if each instance of direct copy-paste is removed, close paraphrasing is still a disqualifier. At first you said you didn’t copy-paste anything, but now we know you did. How does one copy-paste, typos included, do it multiple times, and not be aware of it? Have you been adding content the same way on other articles? We need to know because if you have copy-pasted other text, it has to be found and removed. My position on this DYK is ‘’decline’’ for plagiarism and copyright violation. It’s up to the other editors at the DYK project to accept or overrule my evaluation. —Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:58, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- Dennis Bratland thank you for your time and patients reviewing this DYK. FITINDIA 18:34, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- www.census2011.co.in is a copyright website, and therefore it's not okay for you to copy their material to Wikipedia. It looks like a government of India website, but it's not, and even if it were, it would not be okay to copy, because the Government of India copyrights their material as well. I've removed some material from the page and it is now okay from a copyright point of view. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:07, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Diannaa, will keep that in mind next time, I just thought some of the copyvio stuff was official figures but I guess I was mistaken. Thank you for the the clean up of the article. FITINDIA 13:17, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- The data is not copyright, but you have to re-word the prose as much as possible. Unfortunately the actual official government census page is down most of the time so there's no way to confirm the data at census2011.co.in is even accurate. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:27, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Diannaa, will keep that in mind next time, I just thought some of the copyvio stuff was official figures but I guess I was mistaken. Thank you for the the clean up of the article. FITINDIA 13:17, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- www.census2011.co.in is a copyright website, and therefore it's not okay for you to copy their material to Wikipedia. It looks like a government of India website, but it's not, and even if it were, it would not be okay to copy, because the Government of India copyrights their material as well. I've removed some material from the page and it is now okay from a copyright point of view. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:07, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- Dennis Bratland thank you for your time and patients reviewing this DYK. FITINDIA 18:34, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- Those two sentences are only samples. Even if each instance of direct copy-paste is removed, close paraphrasing is still a disqualifier. At first you said you didn’t copy-paste anything, but now we know you did. How does one copy-paste, typos included, do it multiple times, and not be aware of it? Have you been adding content the same way on other articles? We need to know because if you have copy-pasted other text, it has to be found and removed. My position on this DYK is ‘’decline’’ for plagiarism and copyright violation. It’s up to the other editors at the DYK project to accept or overrule my evaluation. —Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:58, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Dennis Bratland: have rewritten those 2 phrases, please do have look. Thank you. FITINDIA 07:53, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- It's nice if a tool like that can detect copyving, but the best tool is to read, and see it with your eyes. For example, the sentence "The male literacy rate stands at 85.48 % and the female literacy rate at 69.82 %" is a direct copy of "Male literacy stands at 85.48 % while female literacy rate was 69.82 %." Even the odd tic of placing a space between a number and the percent sign is copy-pasted. The duplication detector fails to detect this as well. The entire paragraph is a near word-for-word gloss. The original source said "population of children with age 0-6 is 205 which makes up 13.86 % of total population of village." and this was paraphrased with only slight alteration to "The population of children aged 0–6 was 205, making up 13.86 % of the total population of the village." --Dennis Bratland (talk) 07:01, 11 February 2018 (UTC)"
Request withdrawn- I would like to withdraw this nomination. Thank you. FITINDIA 13:19, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
