Template:Did you know nominations/Happier Than Ever (song)
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 21:05, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
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Happier Than Ever (song)
- ... that Billie Eilish and Finneas O'Connell wrote the melody for their four-time Grammy-nominated song "Happier Than Ever" on an $80 guitar? Source: Billboard and Grammy.com
- ALT1: ... that a critic said Billie Eilish sounds like she needs an exorcism on her song "Happier Than Ever"? Source: Beats Per Minute
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nuri Ja'far
Improved to Good Article status by MaranoFan (talk) and Your Power (talk). Nominated by MaranoFan (talk) at 07:11, 4 September 2022 (UTC).
- MaranoFan, would it be okay if I suggested alternative hooks? Your Power 🐍 💬 "What did I tell you?"
📝 "Don't get complacent..." 10:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)- Unless there's something wrong with ALT0, that would be highly unnecessary.--NØ 13:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- @MaranoFan and Your Power: unless I'm missing something, DYK thrives on a collaborative environment that can only improve with new ideas. In fact, I'm inclined to hear more suggestions, if only because pop songs tend to underperform at DYK. Your Power, please feel free to suggest hooks – even more so because you contributed to the article. I'm willing to review them, if anyone wants to ping me :) cheers! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 19:28, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron, I’m sorry but I do not like the implication that my reply was discouraging a collaborative environment. I put a lot of thought into the hook and I wanted to find out what might be wrong with it for there to be need for alternatives. You changed the hook on my last nomination as well so please enlighten me with suggestions on how to write better ones. Thanks.—NØ 19:40, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- @MaranoFan: Well, I don't think you intended to discourage that environment – I've never known you to act with ownership or arrogance, and I enjoy working with you :) I would say that I think your comment could be interpreted as putting a seal on the nom a bit too quickly, even if that's not what you intended. I certainly wasn't accusing you of acting dictatorially or in bad faith. I mean, the suggestion of new hooks doesn't mean that anything is wrong with your current ideas – maybe Your Power has a different idea for the hook fact entirely, and wanted to jump in. From my perspective as a prep promoter, I would say that there might be a few too many details in ALT0, and it might fare if it were pared down. I'd be happy to elaborate on that if you'd like, but I still basically agree with Corachow that the nom is good to go as is – really, I was just pointing out that more input can help, even if nothing is wrong per se. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 19:52, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron, I’m sorry but I do not like the implication that my reply was discouraging a collaborative environment. I put a lot of thought into the hook and I wanted to find out what might be wrong with it for there to be need for alternatives. You changed the hook on my last nomination as well so please enlighten me with suggestions on how to write better ones. Thanks.—NØ 19:40, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- @MaranoFan and Your Power: unless I'm missing something, DYK thrives on a collaborative environment that can only improve with new ideas. In fact, I'm inclined to hear more suggestions, if only because pop songs tend to underperform at DYK. Your Power, please feel free to suggest hooks – even more so because you contributed to the article. I'm willing to review them, if anyone wants to ping me :) cheers! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 19:28, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Unless there's something wrong with ALT0, that would be highly unnecessary.--NØ 13:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron:, thank you for clarifying this for me. If there are any general tips you would like to share with me for writing better hooks, feel free to use my talk page. I just saw a pattern forming, that's all.—NØ 20:02, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron, I appreciate the encouragement, really I do! I was very eager to suggest hooks here, but I felt like the more polite way to go about it was ask the co-nom for permission first ... Sorry. I still feel new to direct communication with other editors sometimes, and I am always scared of when I might mess up again .. Anyways, here are some other hook ideas - please feel free to let me know what you think of them leek :) Your Power 🐍 💬 "What did I tell you?"
📝 "Don't get complacent..." 20:46, 4 September 2022 (UTC)- ALT2: ... that "Happier Than Ever" appears on an album that its singer described as "almost" unhappy?
- ALT2.5: ... that "Happier Than Ever" is the title track of an album that its singer described as "almost" unhappy? Source for both: Rolling Stone
- I hope I don't get accused of being a terrorist for saying this, but I really still prefer ALT0. At this point, I am feeling a little uncomfortable by the virtue signaling, so I will be leaving the final decision to others. Regards.--NØ 02:13, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Terrorism aside, I do think that the original hooks are our best choice. ALTs 2 and 2.5 are sensible, and I'd stamp them if there weren't an alternative – but I think they lack a bit of the "wow"-factor hookiness that the previous hook facts get. No real preference between ALTs 0 and 1 – they're good executions of different styles. Your Power, if you want to talk to me about crafting hooks, my talk page is always open :) critical reviews make for good hooks, but they gotta make the reader want to know more. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 02:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- I hope I don't get accused of being a terrorist for saying this, but I really still prefer ALT0. At this point, I am feeling a little uncomfortable by the virtue signaling, so I will be leaving the final decision to others. Regards.--NØ 02:13, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron, I appreciate the encouragement, really I do! I was very eager to suggest hooks here, but I felt like the more polite way to go about it was ask the co-nom for permission first ... Sorry. I still feel new to direct communication with other editors sometimes, and I am always scared of when I might mess up again .. Anyways, here are some other hook ideas - please feel free to let me know what you think of them leek :) Your Power 🐍 💬 "What did I tell you?"
The article was recently promoted to GA and meets all article requirements. The hooks are sourced and interesting. QPQ done. Good to go. Corachow (talk) 17:17, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
