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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 14:37, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

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Hannelore Elsner

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Hannelore Elsner in 2011
Hannelore Elsner in 2011
  • Reviewed: El Drago Milenario (1st article)
  • Comment: The film is Die Unberührbare in German, literally The Untouchable. - I'll expand that sad stub, promised.

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 09:42, 26 April 2019 (UTC).

  • The hook should read "who first appeared in films in 1959". "Films from 1959" sounds like "films made in 1959". Jmar67 (talk) 17:08, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Hannelore Elsner (pictured), who first appeared in film in 1959, received international recognition with her role in No Place to Go in 2000?
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: All points check out, ready to go, except that I think Jmar67 has a good point so would indeed suggest that tweak. Moonraker (talk) 11:01, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, I made ALT1 as suggested, just said film, because I'm not sure there were two that year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:25, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
That sounds OK. I did not anticipate your interpretation, but my phrasing is somewhat ambiguous. Jmar67 (talk) 12:07, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, good to go with ALT1. Moonraker (talk) 13:55, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't see an inline cite for her first film being in 1959. Looking at the sources, footnote 2 mentions 1959 but not the name of the film. I'm also wondering why you're piping the film links to German titles. Did she perform in German in these English-language films? Please use English film titles followed by the German translation in parentheses, if it's even necessary, for our English Wikipedia.
  • I'm also wondering why you don't say what the "recognition" is. According to your article, it's the German Film Award for Best Actress. That sounds a lot hookier. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 13:50, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Starting in the end: I meant not a specific award (or three) but that she was noticed on the international scene that late. Beginning with Kafka (2012), I use original titles with English translation in parentheses if necessary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:00, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
I hope I fixed the titles. I found a source saying Alt-Heidelberg was her first film at age seventeen, which - together with 1959 date of the film - is hopefully enough? - How about mentioning the Cannes festival, instead of again German awards?
ALT2: ... that Hannelore Elsner (pictured), who first appeared in film in 1959, received international recognition with her role in No Place to Go in 2000 when it was presented at the Cannes Festival?
ALT3: ... that Hannelore Elsner (pictured), who first appeared in film in 1959, received international recognition with her role in No Place to Go at the Cannes Festival in 2000? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:41, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
ALT4: ... that Hannelore Elsner (pictured), who first appeared in film in 1959, received international recognition for her role in No Place to Go at the Cannes Festival in 2000?
Recognition for, not with. Jmar67 (talk) 14:58, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
She did not get an award in Cannes? Then this hook needs some more work. If she just starred in a film shown there, that is not "recognition for" in the normally understood sense. Then ALT3 could be better. Jmar67 (talk) 21:25, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
How is this?
ALT5: ... that Hannelore Elsner (pictured), who first appeared in film in 1959, received three awards for her role in No Place to Go, shown at the Cannes Festival in 2000? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
That does seem to imply she got the awards there. Still tending toward ALT3 again. Jmar67 (talk) 22:20, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Suggest something, I have no good ideas after midnight --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
ALT6: ... that Hannelore Elsner (pictured), who first appeared in film in 1959, received international attention with her role in No Place to Go at the Cannes Festival in 2000?
See also talk. Jmar67 (talk) 23:34, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT6 is cited on both points, and I believe the nominator is happy with it, so we can go forward with that. Moonraker (talk) 11:34, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes happy, and thank you, both! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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