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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 16:10, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

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Haʻaheo Kaniu

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Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 05:14, 29 February 2020 (UTC).

  • I think I like ALT0 the best, but the word "stole" doesn't seem to exactly reflect the relevant paragraph in the article. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:35, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
I was trying to make it more hooky. How about changing it to "took". KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:33, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I think that sounds more accurate. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:03, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
There technically hasn't been a real review. Changing ALT0 to took doesn't make sense and adding anymore details like stole the future king Kalākaua away to raise as a baby? just makes it more bland. How about just ALT1? KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:21, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
ALT1 is the better option actually. I apologize for the late reply as I had gotten into some real-life issues lately, but I'll try to do a full review by tomorrow if not later. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:58, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Article meets newness and length requirements. Assuming good faith for the offline sources. No close paraphrasing found. QPQ done. At this time, neither hook appears to be suitable. As mentioned above, in the case of ALT0, nothing in the article implies that the subject "stole" the baby. As for ALT1, the wording in the article doesn't seem to mention a "fight over" adoption with Kuini Liliha; in fact, Liliha only seems to be mentioned once all article. There appears to have been some custody battle involved, but as far as I can tell ith the current wording, it actually involved a different person other than Liliha; please correct me if I'm misinterpreting the wording. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:35, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: How about that? KAVEBEAR (talk) 09:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
While more accurate, it doesn't really sounds like a "hooky" hook. Perhaps a new direction is needed here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT3:... that Hawaiian chiefesses Haʻaheo Kaniu left all her properties to future king Kalākaua in a verbal will?

How about this?KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:12, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

To be honest, it doesn't really sound that interesting since it doesn't explain at all how important she is. It gives no context about her life or her relationship with the future king. Narutolovehinata5
  • ALT4:... that Hawaiian chiefesses Haʻaheo Kaniu was one of the earliest converts to Christianity and attended class taught by the American missionaries with Queen Keōpūolani and Princess Nāhiʻenaʻena?

How about this?KAVEBEAR (talk) 16:43, 5 April 2020 (UTC) tccsdnew 12:19, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

That's a bit on the long side and perhaps a bit too complicated. Perhaps just stick with the "one of the earliest converts to Christianity" angle? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 17:06, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT5:... that Hawaiian chiefesses Haʻaheo Kaniu was one of the earliest converts to Christianity and attended class taught by the American missionaries?

How about this?KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Almost there, I just think that "Earliest converts to Christianity" needs to be made more specific: it should be specified somehow that she was among the first in Hawaii as the current wording gives the impression that she was among the first Christian converts ever. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:04, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT6:... that Hawaiian chiefesses Haʻaheo Kaniu was one of the earliest converts to Christianity in Hawaii?
  • ALT7:... that Hawaiian chiefesses Haʻaheo Kaniu was one of the earliest converts to Christianity in Hawaii and attended class taught by the American missionaries?
I think we should go with some variant of ALT6, but I'd suggest a slight reword so that "Hawaii" isn't mentioned twice in hook. The issue right now is that as far as I can tell nothing in the article says that she was "one of the earliest converts" in Hawaii, only that she was a convert. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
You have to understand the context of the history. No ali'i seriously converted until 1823 following in the steps of Queen Keōpūolani. Here is another one. You are not going get anything more interesting than what have been suggested. KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT8:... that Hawaiian chiefesses Haʻaheo Kaniu converted to Christianity and attended class taught by the American missionaries?
ALT6 was fine and probably the best option, it just needed to be mentioned in the article because as far as I could tell at the time it's never mentioned explicitly. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:43, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Check these edits. KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:46, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. ALT6 is almost ready to go, all that's needed is for the relevant reference to be duplicated at the end of the sentence mentioning her being one of the earliest converts. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:42, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: See this. KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
We should be good to go then. I'm assuming good faith for the sources as the sources are offline. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:37, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but I am not seeing the ALT6 hook fact ("the earliest converts to Christianity") in either footnote 11 or 12. Yoninah (talk) 15:55, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
  • I said earlier, “You have to understand the context of the history. No ali'i seriously converted until 1823 following in the steps of Queen Keōpūolani.” None of the sources are on the nose about it but her and her husband’s conversion followed the queen thus one of the earliest. ALT8 bypass this gray area. KAVEBEAR (talk) 16:04, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
  • OK. Restoring tick for ALT8, which is verified by the source. Yoninah (talk) 16:08, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
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