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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by — Maile (talk) 23:31, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

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HMS P48 (1942)

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HMS P48 on the surface
HMS P48 on the surface
  • ... that HMS P48 was sunk on Christmas day? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that HMS P48 was sunk on Christmas day while attacking an Italian convoy? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT2:... that HMS P48 was spotted by aircraft and sunk by a destroyer while attacking an Italian convoy on Christmas day? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by L293D (talk). Self-nominated at 16:47, 19 December 2018 (UTC).

  • Thank you for the speedy work. 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, adequately sourced, no close paraphrasing seen. Image in article is fair use. QPQ done. Regarding the hooks, the source is assuming the sunken sub was actually P48, and the wreck has never been found. The first hook is punchy enough, but the fact is not as certain. Yoninah (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Image isn't fair use anymore. How about
ALT3:... that HMS P48 may have been sunk on Christmas day? L293D (☎ • ✎) 19:19, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
  • How about:
  • ALT4: ... that an Italian torpedo boat claimed it sank a Royal Navy U-class submarine on Christmas Day?
  • BTW the lead says it was mined by two torpedo boats, but the text below and the source say it was mined by one torpedo boat. And footnote 3 is a mess of programming language. Yoninah (talk) 20:11, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT4 also looks good. I've removed the other torpedo boat. But the claim that the sub was mined is incomprehensible to me, as is the "mess of programming language". Ref no 3's wikitext consists of <ref>[http://www.rnsubmus.co.uk/general/losses.htm Submarine losses 1904 to present day], RN Submarine Museum, Gosport</ref>; there an external link, then the website's name. L293D (☎ • ✎) 20:22, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
It's available on archive.org but info there is wrong and site is not RS. Suggest cite is removed as info is also cited to U-boat.net which is usually considered RS, I can add cite for Conway's tomorrow if another is needed Lyndaship (talk) 20:57, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I don't know anything about torpedoes. I meant "depth charged", not "mined". We need another reviewer for ALT4. I struck ALT3 because it's so iffy. Yoninah (talk) 21:16, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
  • I've also added an image, which will need reviewing. L293D (☎ • ✎) 23:22, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Image is OK as the product of a government employee. Based on reading the source, I accept the ALT4 hook as Yoninah has worded it.. Per source. 23 Dec 1942 HMS P 48 was ordered to patrol in the Gulf of Tunis, and did not return. Italian transports were escorted by torpedo boats to the same general coordinates on 25 Dec 1942. "... an escorting aircraft fired bursts of machine gun fire in the sea to signal a submarine. Almost at the same moment the torpedo boat Ardente obtained a contact carried out several attack runs, dropping a total of 48 depth charges. An oil patch of about 100-150 metres in diametre was observed in 37°17'N, 10°32'E and the submarine was claimed sunk. It is quite likely that the submarine was P.48 and that she was sunk during this encounter. There were no survivors." — Maile (talk) 23:35, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Maile. @L293D: if the image is not fair use, please move it to Commons. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:54, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @L293D:, @Yoninah: The image was created 1941-1942. It is labeled appropriately as Public Domain, with a link to "Crown Copyright", which says that if an image is created before 1957, the copyright expires 50 years after creation. 12:46, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @Maile66: before moving to commons, could you at least undelete the higher-resolution version on the image? L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:20, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
  • @L293D: I hope you mean you will be the one moving it to Commons. Also, what higher resolution version are you referring to? Do you mean the comment about no higher resolution available? — Maile (talk) 13:25, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
I am talking about the higher-resolution version on the image, which was deleted because it exceeded the fair use maximum image size. L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:31, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Sphilbrick I see your name as the person who deleted this in 2017. Could you take care of this? — Maile (talk) 13:50, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Maile66  Done For the record, the PD template was added after the deletionS Philbrick(Talk) 14:04, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Re-ticking, so there is no mistaking that ALT4 is ready for promotion, special date December 25 — Maile (talk) 02:02, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
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