Template:Did you know nominations/Gulshan-i 'Ishq
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 10:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Gulshan-i 'Ishq
Scene from The Rose Garden of Love
... that in the Gulshan-i 'Ishq, a king (pictured, right) is blessed with a child only after experiencing hunger and thirst? Source: "It is by burning away worldly desires and by experiencing want that he can become worthy of the blessing of a son who will bring order and harmony to the world. Thus the raja’s search takes him through hunger and thirst to many countries, groves, caves, and mountains." page 154 of Husain (2011) (ref 4 in the current version)- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Committee for the Prevention of Destruction of Antiquities on the Temple Mount
- Comment: Image is cropped for DYK for visibility at small resolution. A less aggressively cropped version with more background is at commons:File:Khalili Collection Islamic Art mss 640.1 crop king.jpg
Moved to mainspace by MartinPoulter (talk). Self-nominated at 09:53, 9 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Gulshan-i 'Ishq; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
New enough, moved to mainspace on Oct. 2.[1] Long enough (2984+ char.) at time of nom. The article makes use of scholarly sources, is neutral, and entirely copyvio-free (1% is the lowest Earwig score I've ever seen). Article is in great shape for a DYK and highly presentable (GA-like quality). Hook is cited and somewhat interesting. Image is freely licensed, clear, and cropped from the full image at the bottom-right in File:Khalili Collection Islamic Art mss 640.2.jpg, which is an ideal and topical crop for use on DYK. QPQ was completed. Good to go. Commentary: the folk story surrounding King Bikram and the holy man immediately reminded me of two Buddhist folk stories regarding Bodhidharma, one that is found in several places, such as the Blue Cliff Record, describing his legendary encounter with Emperor Wu of Liang; and another, Dazu Huike's famous encounter resulting in the loss of his arm. In both instances, Bodhidharma is the holy man, refusing the Emperor and rejecting the "blessing" that the Emperor expects in the former, while also refusing to accept Huike as a student and teach him until he can prove his determination in the latter. This is much like King Bikram in terms of the suffering and travails he must experience to be worthy of a child. It is said that Sufism and Buddhism have a shared tradition of folk stories, myths, and legends in this regard. Viriditas (talk) 00:43, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
@Viriditas and MartinPoulter: this hook does not meet the requirements of WP:DYKFICTION. A new hook is required. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:20, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- @MartinPoulter and AirshipJungleman29: Thank you for reminding me of the rules. I'm sorry that I missed that one. I can make some suggestions for a few new hooks if Martin doesn't mind, or they can add them here as well. Viriditas (talk) 17:50, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that The Rose Garden of Love embodies both Indian and Persian literary and cultural traditions? Husain (2011). "Reading Gardens in Deccani Court Poetry: A Reappraisal of Nusratī's Gulshan-i 'Ishq". In Ali, Daud; Flatt, Emma J. (eds.). Garden and landscape practices in precolonial India : histories from the Deccan. New Delhi. pp. 149–154.
- ALT2: ... that Nusrati attributes the virtues of a good ruler to his patron Ali Adil Shah II in The Rose Garden of Love ? Husain (2011). "Reading Gardens in Deccani Court Poetry: A Reappraisal of Nusratī's Gulshan-i 'Ishq". In Ali, Daud; Flatt, Emma J. (eds.). Garden and landscape practices in precolonial India : histories from the Deccan. New Delhi. pp. 149–154.
- ALT3: ... that The Rose Garden of Love serves as a metaphor for spiritual and romantic union? Husain (2011). "Reading Gardens in Deccani Court Poetry: A Reappraisal of Nusratī's Gulshan-i 'Ishq". In Ali, Daud; Flatt, Emma J. (eds.). Garden and landscape practices in precolonial India : histories from the Deccan. New Delhi. pp. 149–154.
- ALT4: ... that the figures and landscapes in The Rose Garden of Love reflect the late Golconda style of Deccan painting? Haidar (2015). Sultans of Deccan India, 1500–1700: Opulence and Fantasy. Metropolitan Museum of Art. pp. 297–298.
New review needed per the above. Viriditas (talk) 19:14, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- D'oh! Thank you AirshipJungleman29 for bringing up that requirement. I don't think I've done a DYK proposal about fiction before, but I should have been aware of that requirement and proposed an acceptable hook. I like all of Viriditas' proposed hooks, especially the first two. I'd really like to be able to include the image, if that's possible, since this is an image that has been shared on Wikimedia as part of a GLAM partnership. I think Srnec has done such a good job with the new article on Nusrati that it deserves a link from the front page so I personally favour ALT2. Could we make ALT 2a by adding the image and (manuscript pictured) to ALT2? To Viriditas: thank you for mentioning the parallels with Buddhism: they were what inspired me to write this article, though my knowledge of the link is not nearly as deep as yours. MartinPoulter (talk) 11:23, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- ALT2a: ... that Nusrati attributes the virtues of a good ruler to his patron Ali Adil Shah II in The Rose Garden of Love (manuscript pictured)?
- Approved along with the other ALTs. @Viriditas and MartinPoulter: thanks very much for the quick and efficient responses. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:38, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- D'oh! Thank you AirshipJungleman29 for bringing up that requirement. I don't think I've done a DYK proposal about fiction before, but I should have been aware of that requirement and proposed an acceptable hook. I like all of Viriditas' proposed hooks, especially the first two. I'd really like to be able to include the image, if that's possible, since this is an image that has been shared on Wikimedia as part of a GLAM partnership. I think Srnec has done such a good job with the new article on Nusrati that it deserves a link from the front page so I personally favour ALT2. Could we make ALT 2a by adding the image and (manuscript pictured) to ALT2? To Viriditas: thank you for mentioning the parallels with Buddhism: they were what inspired me to write this article, though my knowledge of the link is not nearly as deep as yours. MartinPoulter (talk) 11:23, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
- @MartinPoulter and AirshipJungleman29: Thank you for reminding me of the rules. I'm sorry that I missed that one. I can make some suggestions for a few new hooks if Martin doesn't mind, or they can add them here as well. Viriditas (talk) 17:50, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks! For consistency, it seems the caption of the image should change to "Scene from The Rose Garden of Love". MartinPoulter (talk) 12:10, 1 November 2023 (UTC)