Template:Did you know nominations/Grant Hermanns

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 01:48, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Grant Hermanns

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• ... that National Football League player Grant Hermanns won his state high school wrestling championship just a few months after a near-fatal staph infection? Source: Jets' Hermanns living NFL dream after near-death staph scare from AP ("Just a few months removed from nearly losing his life, Hermanns was in the New Mexico Class 6A heavyweight state championship. And won.")
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Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:55, 22 September 2022 (UTC).

• Not a fan of the Jets haha, but I do think this would be a great addition to the DYK page. Really interesting hook imo. Looks good to go for the DYK section as it checks off all Article and Hook requirements, just pending the QPQ now. Soulbust (talk) 07:23, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

  @Soulbust: I've reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/KHOY as a QPQ. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:05, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

  Good to go now! Soulbust (talk) 02:36, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

• Unfortunately this article contains significant close paraphrasing. Compare for example "The following day, he attended football practice and thought he was urinating blood in the bathroom. It was later figured out to be his liver enzymes exiting his body, meaning that his liver, as well as several other organs, was breaking down because of a sickness" vs "He went to football practice the next day, used the bathroom and thought he was urinating blood. It turned out — he would later be told — it was liver enzymes leaving his body. 'My liver and some of my internal organs were starting to break down because of the sickness'". Nikkimaria (talk) 01:40, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

  Any better? The only things found by copyvios.org are quotes and short things I don't think can be re-phrased ("for the New York Jets", "suffered a hip avulsion fracture", "table. His left hip was", "his left leg"). BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:59, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

  Keep in mind that automated copyvio tools will flag only direct, word-for-word copying, not close paraphrasing. The former is not a real concern here; the latter needs more work. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:11, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

  Pinging an experienced football and DYK writer to see his thoughts on whether this is copyvio. @Cbl62: BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:31, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

  @BeanieFan11: Nikkimaria is one or Wikipedia's preeminent copyright experts. If she says there is close paraphrasing that needs tweaking, I think the best course is to go through the article and massage the phrasing. As I understand the comment, they are not accusing you of anything nefarious, it just needs some rewording. Cbl62 (talk) 19:50, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

  OK, tell me what sentences need to be rephrased @Nikkimaria:. Also, I've removed "current" from the hook as he was recently released. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

  I've spotchecked the other sources and the issue appears to just be with what is currently footnote 2. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:07, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

  @Nikkimaria: I tried rewriting the article, any better? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:01, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

  Better yes; still a bit close in places. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:38, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

  Is it good enough to be approved or no? And if not, what parts need to be rewritten again? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:51, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

  Good enough to be detagged, and reassessed. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:49, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

• Hiya. The article was new enough at time of nomination (DYK nomination on 22 September, having been moved from draftspace on the same day, and has not appeared on the Main Page) and is long enough (5417 bytes of readable prose when nominated and is not a stub). A quid pro quo was done; the hook is interesting, and sourced, and formatted properly (though I'm a little unsure on whether he can be described as an NFL player, since he's not in the NFL – I think I'll let it slide). With regards to core content policies such as neutrality and BLP, I did not detect any violations, without passing comment on copyright issues for now. However, there are some verifiability issues with the article:
  • The height in the sources cited is 6 ft 7 in (2.01 m), but ActivBowser9177 thinks that it is 6 ft 7.5 in (2.019 m), rounding to 6 ft 8 in (2.03 m) (the rounding in imperial has made the metric rounding dubious, but American football uses imperial). Might want to discuss with him on that issue.

    I don't see anywhere where it is rounded to 6 ft 8.

    I was referring to the edit above. I guess it doesn't really matter for DYK.

  • The NFL lists him as 300 lb (136 kg), while the other source lists him as 305 lb (138 kg). Maybe a note would be appropriate on the conflict.

     Done

  • Early life and high school: The date of birth needs to be sourced; please add a citation (PFR in the infobox seems to have that information).

     Done

  • Staph infection: Which source supports "The fracture resulted in him missing several football games"?

    Hermanns, who somehow finished the combine, needed several weeks to heal before he started his senior football season and played in six games (from AP) – to me, that means that his injury prevented him from playing several games (especially since six games is not a normal number in a football season).

    I'll defer to your expertise in this area.

  • College career: The 40 lb (18 kg) in 2017 isn't supported by the source; maybe "by 2017" would be better?

    I read in the source Hermanns signed with the Boilermakers in 2016 and redshirted last season. He came to campus weighing around 255 pounds (so, in 2016) but is now listed at 295 (the source is from Aug. 2017) – the wording makes sense to me, but I could change it if you really want

    I'm probably just splitting hairs – my concern was that the weight wasn't necessarily all added in 2017.

  • The captaincy and Academic All-Big Ten selection as a senior don't seem supported by the source.

    I added a ref for the captaincy – I removed the academic all-conference selection – that appears to be a mistake I made (the Purdue bio ends with when he earned that honor in 2019, and doesn't talk about him in 2020. I was probably going too fast while writing and didn't notice)

  • The extra year of eligibility due to the pandemic doesn't seem to be either.

    The NCAA gave an extra year of eligibility to all college sports players who were impacted by COVID (so someone who had played four years (or five, with a redshirt, like Hermanns) could return for another year if they wished [1]) Hermanns would have had an extra year in 2021 based off of that, but it seems he decided to enter the NFL draft instead. I was not able to find a source about that that mentions Hermanns specifically, but it is definitely what happened. What do you want me to do?

    Probably just have a line that all players were given an extra year of eligibility with a reference that supports it.

  • New York Jets: The signing announcement was on 3 May, so he couldn't have signed on 5 May. Probably a typo.

    I've just rewritten it to say Hermanns signed with the New York Jets as an undrafted free agent following the 2021 NFL Draft.

  • The statistic for the Steelers game is not in the source; best add a citation by PRF there too.

     Done

  • For the Ravens activation, since the source doesn't state the team name but Browns source does, probably best to repeat it there too.

     Done

• As DYK eligibility requires additional work, I am marking the nomination with . Please address these issues before I can approve this nomination. Sdrqaz (talk) 03:03, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

  @Sdrqaz: I've replied to each of your points. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:52, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks, and sorry for the delay. I added a suggestion regarding the extra year of eligibility. Sdrqaz (talk) 18:43, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

  @Sdrqaz: I added that All college players were given an extra year of eligibility due to the COVID-19 pandemic with a reference to The Tufts Daily (above). Anything else you'd like me to do or is this good to go? Thanks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:55, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

  A second reminder has been place on the talk page for Sdrqaz. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 14:14, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

  Sorry about the delay – I was in two minds about the aforementioned paraphrasing, in addition to other distractions. I think, on balance, that it is not overly-close and is fine for DYK purposes. Approved, with thanks for your patience, Sdrqaz (talk) 22:35, 29 December 2022 (UTC)