Template:Did you know nominations/Grace's Little Belmont
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:57, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
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Grace's Little Belmont
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Wild Bill Davis
Sammy Davis, Jr. and his mother at Grace's Little Belmont
- ... that the Hammond B3 organ famously played by Wild Bill Davis (pictured) at Grace's Little Belmont in Atlantic City, New Jersey, was moved to Our Lady of Sorrows church after the club closed?
- ALT1:... that Sammy Davis, Jr.'s mother (pictured) was a barmaid at Grace's Little Belmont in Atlantic City, New Jersey?
- ALT1a: ... that after performing at Atlantic City's 500 Club, Sammy Davis, Jr. often visited his mother (pictured) at Grace's Little Belmont, where she was a barmaid?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Project Iceworm
Created by Yoninah (talk) and We hope (talk). Nominated by Yoninah (talk) at 09:34, 18 August 2016 (UTC).
The article is new enough and almost four times the minimum required size. The article is neutral, is thorough in sourcing and had no paraphrase / copyvio issues detected. Both hooks are within length and interesting. The hooks are referenced by a paywall protected article that only includes a portion of the article and are accepted in good faith from an experienced editor. QPQ has been satisfied. Alansohn (talk) 19:29, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
*Re-opened per request here. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:53, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
I believe this was asked for here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:09, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for reopening this. With We hope's help, I have expanded the History section, so a new review is requested to confirm it meets DYK criteria. We have replaced the subscription-only links with free ones, and have added PD images for both hooks. I added ALT1a. I also added We hope to the creation credits. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 21:16, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
As this has been reopened, I have reviewed the revised article. The article is still new enough and remains almost four times the minimum required size. The article retains its status as neutral, is even more thorough in sourcing and has no paraphrase / copyvio issues detected. The hooks are all within length and interesting. ALT0 is fully verifiable, but nowhere near as interesting as either of the ALT1 versions, which have the added benefit of a wonderful photo to enhance the hookiness.The details in hooks ALT1/1a that Elvera Sanchez "was the bartender" or "tended bar" have posed some challenges. The Haygood book describes her as a "barmaid" (who would be the person passing the drinks from the bartender to the patrons), the obituary in The New York Times describes her as a "waitress" there and the source from the New York Beacon requires a subscription to access the apparent relevant portion. The sources used here seem to be the same ones as in her standalone article, which repeats the claim that "she began working as a bartender" there, so there's nothing in that article that would help with this one.Yoninah and We hope, the article deserves greater recognition and it's well past time that it was approved. If we could find a way to nail down the role of Elvera Sanchez, I'd be willing to wait and the necessary tweaks should be minor. Alansohn (talk) 15:20, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- Alansohn, I have another book source and a Jet magazine source that describes her as a barmaid. I'll add those to the article with refs and change the description to barmaid. We hope (talk) 15:33, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- We hope, can I suggest that the rewording as barmaid and the sources be updated in the hooks, the article here under review and in the Elvera Sanchez article? Thanks for the quick reply and my hopes that we can get ALT1 or ALT1a on the front page very soon. Alansohn (talk) 15:36, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- (ec) @Alansohn: thanks for the new review. Although the Jacobs source says she "ran the bar", the other sources (including the New York Beacon source, which states: "After her retirement from the stage, she worked as a barmaid in several popular clubs in Harlem and on Atlantic City's Kentucky Avenue...Her close friend Grace Daniels had a club "Grace's Little Belmont" in Atlantic City, across from Club Harlem which was a magnet for the stars in that fun town. Baby would frequently work there.") call her a "barmaid", so I've adjusted the article and hooks. Yoninah (talk) 15:38, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- I also fixed the job description in Elvera Sanchez. Yoninah (talk) 15:40, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- (ec) @Alansohn: thanks for the new review. Although the Jacobs source says she "ran the bar", the other sources (including the New York Beacon source, which states: "After her retirement from the stage, she worked as a barmaid in several popular clubs in Harlem and on Atlantic City's Kentucky Avenue...Her close friend Grace Daniels had a club "Grace's Little Belmont" in Atlantic City, across from Club Harlem which was a magnet for the stars in that fun town. Baby would frequently work there.") call her a "barmaid", so I've adjusted the article and hooks. Yoninah (talk) 15:38, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- We hope, can I suggest that the rewording as barmaid and the sources be updated in the hooks, the article here under review and in the Elvera Sanchez article? Thanks for the quick reply and my hopes that we can get ALT1 or ALT1a on the front page very soon. Alansohn (talk) 15:36, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- Alansohn, I have another book source and a Jet magazine source that describes her as a barmaid. I'll add those to the article with refs and change the description to barmaid. We hope (talk) 15:33, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
