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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Jolly Ω Janner 04:59, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

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Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment

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Created by Jytdog (talk). Nominated by First Light (talk) at 08:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC).

  • Comment Does "helps" in the hook perhaps overstate the case, and might "aims to help" be better? Edwardx (talk) 14:36, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
  • "Assists" may be better than "helps" - in fact they have been helping groups for years, but "assists" is a more neutral sounding term. "Aims to help" implies that they aren't really helping, but just trying to, which is not accurate. This story[1] ("GRACE and similar groups help churches think through such policies to prevent abuse.") is an example of actually helping in one case, but there are others. This story [2] recounts that, "Two major evangelical foundations, children’s mission ministry OneHope and relief organization Samaritan’s Purse (run by Tchividjian’s controversial uncle, Franklin Graham), had asked GRACE to help them develop and implement abuse-prevention and response policies." (italics are mine) First Light (talk) 15:12, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you First Light. I agree that "assists" is rather better than my idea, which I now realize was not fully thought through. Is something missing from ALT2? Edwardx (talk) 15:33, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks for that. I just deleted the mistaken blank ALT2, which I began to write but couldn't come up with anything that would add to the first two. First Light (talk) 15:38, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
  • So kind of First Light to nominate this! I like ALT1 better b/c it has the Billy Graham reference which will catch people's eye, and the first one kind of implies that unaddressed sexual abuse is everywhere... if it said something like Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment was founded by Billy Graham's grandson to help evangelical groups prevent and deal with sexual abuse in their midst?" it would be great, to me anyway. Word tells me that is 184 characters. Jytdog (talk) 09:13, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
    • I like this latest hook the best because it combines the two I proposed: it says what GRACE does, and points out the notable person who founded it. Both points are important. Definitely more hook-y.... First Light (talk) 11:07, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
OK, I just made it a formal ALT2. Seems like that is the one to go with. Not sure what happens now, as I don't do much in DYK, so i will let this be now. Jytdog (talk) 18:30, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Article is new and long enough, hook checks out, QPQ is done and the image is properly attributed with a decent fair use rationale. There are however two instances of close paraphrasing in the second and third paragraphs of the History section. Phrases like "received from a reporter", "to help them develop and implement" and "their parents could focus on" are much too similiar to the wording used in the American Prospect source. Please resolve this.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 11:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks - I worked it over, focusing on the cited passages (dif). Jytdog (talk) 22:36, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
  • That was not a conclusive list of close paraphrasing found within the article: I was merely giving some examples. Please have a look yourself over here, because there are a number of instances left.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 23:50, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for providing the link to the tool's analysis. I fixed the "widespread and severe" one here. The remaining ones are statements of fact or proper names. There is nothing more i can see to do. If that is not good enough, then so be it. Thanks again - i did stray too close there. Jytdog (talk) 00:27, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately, there was still some close paraphrasing. I've taken it upon myself to edit that out. So now I request that another reviewer performs one more (hopefully final) check of this article, and hopefully send it onwards.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 13:01, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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