Template:Did you know nominations/Glen Rounds
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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:39, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
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Glen Rounds
[edit]... that Glen Rounds, a six-time winner of the Lewis Carroll Shelf Award, spent one summer traveling across America with Jackson Pollock?
- Reviewed: Skara Missal
Created by Jwrosenzweig (talk). Self nominated at 05:32, 26 July 2014 (UTC).
QPQ done. New enough. Long enough. spot checking with dup detector reveals no significant close paraphrasing or copyvio. Referencing needs to be improved - six bare URLs need to be expanded. The Kerlan Award and North Carolina Award are both uncited. I'm sceptical about the claim in the article and hook. The cited source states "spent one summer traveling with fellow student Jackson Pollock, and another summer traveling with his teacher, Thomas Hart Benton" (not ACROSS America). Another source not cited in the article is rather more modest, "During one summer, Rounds took a road trip with Benton and Pollock to show them the Great American West." thepilot.com Edwardx (talk) 18:45, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
It has been two weeks without a response, and Jwrosenzweig hasn't edited on Wikipedia in the interim. I've just pinged the user talk page in the hope that it's seen. If nothing happens in the next week or two, and the issues aren't otherwise addressed, we'll probably have to close this, but I hope action is taken soon. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:07, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry for the long delay -- can anyone clarify what "six bare URLS need to be expanded" means in terms of Wikipedia's citation standards? Truthfully, there are so many citation and style pages around here these days, I don't know quite which one is the standard to follow. Re: the Kerlan and North Carolina Award, I thought that Rounds being listed as a recipient on the Wikipedia articles I linked to would be sufficient citation -- as it clearly isn't, I'll track down citations for those both. As far as the Pollock travel claim goes, it's made many places, including the North Carolina Hall of Fame [1] and in his bio on Amazon (presumably publisher supplied?) [2]. Should I cite every source for a widely-stated claim? As far as The Pilot goes, it seems to me that if the three men traveled to see the Great American West from New York City, where they all taught/studied at the time, "across America" is hardly an exceptional phrase to use on my part -- what would be preferable? I'll admit, I don't know why the Pilot states that this was one trip in one summer with all three men, as opposed to the claim made in other sources. If we like, I can use that source also to substantiate an alternative claim. I don't, though, see that it in any way invalidates the claim in the hook that Rounds traveled across the country one summer with Jackson Pollock -- am I being unreasonable? Jwrosenzweig (talk) 14:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
- I'll just add that I've added links to outside references for the Kerlan and NC Awards....they're "bare URLs", but again, I'm happy to "expand" them if someone will help me understand what additional information is required. I've held off on doing anything to the travel claim until I get some feedback about what's expected -- as I said, I'm happy to complicate the paragraph's claim a little, if we really think that Pilot article needs to be taken heed of -- something along the lines of "some sources claim that Benton and Pollock traveled with Rounds on one trip, not separately", I suppose, with a Pilot cite? Thanks for your patience and advice: Jwrosenzweig (talk) 14:56, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
- Jwrosenzweig, I haven't used it myself because I found other avenues, but the Help:Referencing for beginners page offers general information on referencing, plus some assisted methods for adding reference citations that aren't bare URLs. (The problem with bare URLs is if the URL moves, you're probably lost without the additional information about the source such as title, author, date published, publisher, and so on. With that information, it becomes more possible to find it—if not immediately, then perhaps later in a web archive.) I generally use the Cite template variants such as Cite web or Cite news or Cite book, but I've been doing this for a while and can remember what fields to use. (The documentation on Cite web is at Template:Cite web/doc.) Please let me know if you have any further questions. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:57, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- New enough, long enough, adequately referenced, no close paraphrasing seen in online sources. QPQ done. I went ahead and formatted all the refs. I also edited the whole page and removed all the redlinks. What's needed now are sources for the numbers of books you put in the lead. As I noted in a hidden note in the lead, the North Carolina Literary Hall of Fame article said he wrote and illustrated a total of 150 books, not 110.
- Regarding the hook, I think that the Pilot.com and North Carolina Literary Hall of Fame sources are more reliable than the Children's Literature Network, which appears to be a promotional site. I suggest wording the hook this way:
- ALT1: ... that Glen Rounds, a prolific author and illustrator of children's books, spent a summer touring the Western United States with fellow art student Jackson Pollock? Yoninah (talk) 00:31, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Since the page creator has not edited on Wikipedia since August 12, I went ahead and fixed the citation in the lead according to the reliable source. The article is in good shape now, and just needs another editor to sign off on ALT1. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 00:31, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
