Template:Did you know nominations/Gerhild Romberger

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The result was: promoted by Alex Shih ^Talk 17:08, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Gerhild Romberger

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~~... that Gerhild Romberger was the contralto soloist at the Beethovenfest in his Ninth Symphony, and in Mahler's Second in Eberbach Abbey? Source: several~~

Reviewed: London Fog 1966

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 09:57, 31 July 2017 (UTC).

the article is long enough, is neutral, contains no close paraphrasing or copyvio (2%), the hook is neutral, short enough, interesting (actually I do not understand 2 points: "in his" but Beethoven is not cited before (the festival is...) and "in Eberbach Abbey" is a place but there is a festival/an event? isn't it better to cite the event?), is properly sourced with an inline source citation, the article itself is adequately sourced and written in adequate English --Elisa.rolle (talk) 00:28, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the fine review! How would you avoid a repetition of the name Beethoven which still says that it is a performance not anywhere but at the festival dedicated to him? If we say "the Ninth" it could be Bruckner's or Mahler's. I didn't want to mention two festivals in one hook about a singer (to avoid sounding promotional), - we could add "for the Rheingau Musik Festival", of course, but I'd like to keep it short, and I'd like to mention the place that many people know who have nothing to do with music but remember that the interior scenes of The Name of the Rose (film) were taken there. People who know the (ongoing) festival will know the place where it always begins and ends, and people who don't will not be attracted more by mentioning it. Look at the festival if you like: I took several of the images ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

ps: I usually watch my nominations. A notice on my talk is only needed when I don't react for days, - I revert templated messages, to not archive them, - you can spare us that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt and Elisa.rolle: Propose

ALT1:: ... that Gerhild Romberger was the contralto soloist for the Ninth Symphony at Beethovenfest, and for Mahler's Second in Eberbach Abbey? --Usernameunique (talk) 06:15, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Which Ninth Symphony? Beethovenfest is a festival (not a place), needs an article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:26, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Yes, well that's why the link directs to Beethoven, no? Indeed, such links save us from confusing Beethoven with his sister-in-law. Your own hook contained a slight grammatical error ("his" technically refers to Romberger, not Beethoven) to avoid using Beethoven twice. And re: Place, I wouldn't say "I'm going to The Coachella," but it's a minor point. Since neither hook will do, here's:

ALT2:" ... that Gerhild Romberger was the contralto soloist at the Beethovenfest in Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, and in Mahler's Second in Eberbach Abbey?" --Usernameunique (talk) 09:11, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

The duplication of Beethoven is exactly what I tried to avoid ;) - a ping needs to be signed in order to work, but you don't need to ping me, I try to watch.

ALT3: ... that Gerhild Romberger was the contralto soloist in Beethoven's Ninth Symphony at the festival in his hometown, and in Mahler's Second at the Rheingau Musik Festival?

The latter festival will close on 2 September, - so it's not promotional any more. Would be a good day for this ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:24, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

The problem with ALT3 is that I read "his" as referring back to Gerhild (the subject of the hook) rather than to Beethoven, which was quite confusing. Perhaps "festival in the composer's hometown" would work? BlueMoonset (talk) 19:51, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

The problem I see is that there is too much attention on the grammar around Beethoven, while we should focus on the singer.

ALT4: ... that Gerhild Romberger, an award-winning contralto and professor of voice, was a soloist in Mahler's Second Symphony at the Rheingau Musik Festival? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:13, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Approving ALT4. --Usernameunique (talk) 16:04, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I added "Symphony", which wasn't needed when mentioned before. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:00, 1 September 2017 (UTC)