Template:Did you know nominations/Gürdal Duyar
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 01:56, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
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Gürdal Duyar
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Güzel İstanbul damaged and standing in its new location in Yıldız Park
- ... that Güzel İstanbul (pictured), a sculpture by Gürdal Duyar, was removed nine days after its erection? Source: p 374 [Quote:“neredeyse koalisyonun sonunu getirecekti” Translated: It almost brought an end to the coalition] p 372 [9 days] Antmen, Ahu (1 Apr 2009). "TÜRK KÜLTÜRÜNDE BEDEN VE "GÜZEL İSTANBUL" OLAYI". Electronic Journal of Social Sciences (in Turkish). 8 (30): 366–375. ISSN 1304-0278
- ALT0: ... that Gürdal Duyar's sculpture Güzel İstanbul (pictured) was removed after only nine days?
- ALT1: ... that Gürdal Duyar's sculpture Güzel İstanbul (pictured) which personified the city of Istanbul through the depiction of nude woman was removed after only nine days?
- ALT2: ... that Güzel İstanbul (pictured), a nude sculpture by Gürdal Duyar caused intense public debate and may have lead to the 37th government of Turkey eventually dissolving?
- ALT3: ... that in 1974, the public debate about a nude sculpture (pictured) by Gürdal Duyar tested the cohesion of the 37th government of Turkey?
- ALT4: ... that Gürdal Duyar's sculpture of a nude woman (pictured) erected in Istanbul was removed after only nine days; being considered indecent by the traditional conservative segment of society?
- ALT5: ... that Güzel İstanbul (pictured) a nude sculpture by Gürdal Duyar was considered indecent and removed after only nine days?
- ALT6: ... that Güzel İstanbul (pictured) a nude sculpture by Gürdal Duyar erected in 1974 in Istanbul was considered indecent and removed after only nine days?
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Improved to Good Article status by Gazozlu (talk). Self-nominated at 17:18, 8 November 2022 (UTC).
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*Note: Güzel İstanbul is not yet a Good Article. Please do not review until that assessment is complete. If GA status is not achieved in a reasonable time, I suggest that the nomination of Gürdal Duyar proceed on its own, and Güzel İstanbul can have a separate DYK at a later date. MANdARAX XAЯAbИAM 21:50, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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@Gazozlu: The article seems to make extensive use of Geni.com, which is unreliable per WP:RSPS. There are also other seemingly unreliable sources like Internet Cini, which is clearly a personal blog. Is Galaksi Rehber a blog for an online art shop? Please double-check your sources for reliability and remove or replace them where required.
- Additionally, ALT2 and ALT3's claims are not covered by the article, so I cannot consider them for this DYK. The other five seem to be variations of the same claims. What about this compression:
ALTx: ... that Gürdal Duyar's nude sculpture Güzel İstanbul (pictured) was removed after nine days by order of the Turkish government?
- AGF on the offline sources. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 01:08, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- I think the problem with the hook as you propose it, is that it wasn't removed by a unanimous decision of the government, rather the MSP half of the coalition was the one seeing the sculpture as a problem, and it was eventually removed by the order of Oğuzhan Asiltürk. All the while being debated in society (mainly between the traditional-conservatives and the pro-art&social-democratic people of society) whether the nude sculpture was obscene/suggestive or just a work of fine art. This affair was something that caused a rift between the two coalition parties because Necmettin Erbakan to break off the coalition if the sculpture was not removed. This political crisis is covered in (Antmen 2009) and also this non-free documentary. Gazozlu (talk) 23:51, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- I've also added in the part where Seyhun Topuz said about the affair, that it almost brought an end to the coalition government. This would support ALT2 and ALT3 hooks. Gazozlu (talk) 23:54, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the clarification. I would now support ALT2 and ALT3 as well. The sourcing issues should still be addressed, though. IceWelder [✉] 07:48, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- -Internet Cini blog source has been removed.
- -Galaksi Rehber isn't a blog, it's some kind of directory where certain writers propose and write about the things pictured in images and people can upvote them. There is a link to a blog but that is a separate website.
- -Some of the sources from Geni have been removed. Some others are text dumps of newspaper articles or are other sources in the photo hosted on Geni. Gazozlu (talk) 21:45, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- With incorrect sources now removed, the sentence "The next year Duyar made an Ataturk monument for Kayseri which was inaugurated in 1977." is left with no source at all. The sentence should get a new source or be removed. Additionally, Jonesey95 identified several references that do point to actual sources, which also need fixing. IceWelder [✉] 17:42, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the clarification. I would now support ALT2 and ALT3 as well. The sourcing issues should still be addressed, though. IceWelder [✉] 07:48, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- I've also added in the part where Seyhun Topuz said about the affair, that it almost brought an end to the coalition government. This would support ALT2 and ALT3 hooks. Gazozlu (talk) 23:54, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
