Template:Did you know nominations/French submarine Narval (1925)

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:19, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

French submarine Narval (1925), French submarine Morse (1925)

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Morse in 1939

... that the French submarine Narval sank after hitting the same minefield that sank its sister ship Morse (pictured) six months earlier? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20131104150851/http://sous-marin.france.pagesperso-orange.fr/Q118.htm : "Un hydravion repéra son épave en août 1941 par seulement 38 mètres de fond, cassée en deux, non loin de l’épave du MORSE, coulée dans les mêmes conditions le 15.06.1940 par 24 mètres de fond" translation: "A hydroplane found its wreck in August 1941, 38 meters under the surface, broken in two, close to the wreck of MORSE, which sank on the same minefield on 06/15/1940"

Reviewed: Operation Totem, Jennifer Foerster
Comment: double nomination; both satisfy the criteria. Note that this is my first double nomination, so help would be appreciated.

Created by L293D (talk). Self-nominated at 15:37, 25 October 2018 (UTC).

French submarine Narval

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QPQ: Done.

Overall: Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:09, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

French submarine Morse

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Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
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QPQ: Done.

Overall: Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:09, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: Thanks a lot for reviewing this. I believe I've fixed the issues. L293D (☎ • ✎) 20:33, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Good to go. I had the same problem myself on some articles. It was caused by building them in the User space, where the categories counted as prose. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:40, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
@L293D and Hawkeye7: According to the info boxes, Morse sank in June 1940 and Narval in December 1940. If this is correct, the text of each article needs attention, because they have got the later/prior mixed up. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:31, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: For some reason, when I was writing the articles I thought Morse had sank in June 1941. I've switched the "before" and "later" on both articles. L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:47, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Restoring tick based on Hawkeye7's review now that the problem has been sorted out. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:29, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I came by to promote this, but have two questions. Where are you getting the June 16, 1940 date? One source says the wreckage was spotted on that date, while another says it sank on June 15. Also, why are you rating these C-class? Aside from the images in Morse, there isn't much copy here. Yoninah (talk) 22:22, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

@Yoninah: I get the June 16 date from Fontenoy, Paul E. (2007). Submarines: An Illustrated History of Their Impact. ABC-CLIO. ISBN 9781851095636., as well as from https://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/6078.html , http://www.netmarine.net/bat/smarins/morse/ancien.htm , http://www.navypedia.org/ships/france/fr_ss_requin.htm , https://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/requin_class.htm . All of the article's references confirm the loss date except for one that does not have any information about the sinking. As to why I am rating these as C, per WP:MHA#SCALE, articles that are reasonably structured and contains substantial content and supporting materials, but may still be incomplete or poorly referenced, but not both can be assessed as C. My articles are structured, contain substantial content are well referenced, but are still incomplete. L293D (☎ • ✎) 01:18, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I might have been getting the December 15 and June 16 dates mixed up. Restoring tick per above reviews. Yoninah (talk) 22:14, 17 December 2018 (UTC)