Template:Did you know nominations/Franziska Romana Koch
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:16, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
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Franziska Romana Koch
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Koch on stage
- ... that the ballet dancer and opera singer Franziska Romana Koch (pictured on stage) appeared in Alceste which Anton Schweitzer wrote for her, inspiring the librettist to celebrate her in a poem? Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Moon Dustin
Created by Whjayg (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 16:52, 19 December 2016 (UTC).
Article is new enough and long enough. Where in the source is Kochische Gesellschaft mentioned? Also not sure about "opera role", Christoph Martin Wieland and her husband coming with her to Weimar. Most of the fourth paragraph is not supported by the source, seems like. Ditto for Karoline Kruger. Not sure if it's a good idea to rely on a Wikisource text. Hook is fairly long and moderately interesting but appears to be reliably sourced and supported by the source. No evidence of plagiarism, although the last paragraph may use a rewrite so that it doesn't resemble a word-by-word translation of the source as much. QPQ still needed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:14, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry about misspelling the reviewed article: Template:Did you know nominations/Moon Duchin. I didn't write or translate the Koch article, - the typical problem with articles from de, without sources other than books which we don't have. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:03, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
- I added another ref, please check. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Ack, sorry for forgetting this one! Anyhow, Kochische Gesellschaft does not create any hits in Google Books, which makes me wonder if it is mentioned there. The source says that the theatre still existed in 1777, contrary of what the article says. The following sentence is a bit too close to a word-by-word translation of the source. The "soprano" in the infobox may need sourcing. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:17, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, it also took long.
- Kochische Gesellschaft [2], [3], [4], for example, the last mentioning favourable conditions for the troup (Truppe) from 1763. It's a company, not a theatre. Her bio also here. Soprano: here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: The fire in 1774 is still not supported by the source. The other sources need to be added to the article. Then it'd be ready for dispatch. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:32, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- I doubled the existing refs. The fire is in Kutscher (and operissimo which is based on it): "ausgebrannt" = burnt down. The additional refs are not needed in the article, the bio is limited, and the others are only to illustrate that Kochische Gesellschaft is well covered in books. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: The fire in 1774 is still not supported by the source. The other sources need to be added to the article. Then it'd be ready for dispatch. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:32, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Ack, sorry for forgetting this one! Anyhow, Kochische Gesellschaft does not create any hits in Google Books, which makes me wonder if it is mentioned there. The source says that the theatre still existed in 1777, contrary of what the article says. The following sentence is a bit too close to a word-by-word translation of the source. The "soprano" in the infobox may need sourcing. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:17, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
for one source that I can't read. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:05, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
- Did you know that Franziska Romana Koch retired from the stage in 1887 at the age of 139?
- Apart from this remarkable feat, could you suggest something more hooky that does not try to cram in so much varied information. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:38, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you for catching that, fixed ;) - What should we drop, that she did both ballet and opera (rare), that an opera was written for her (rare), that a poem was written to celebrate her in this opera (don't know any other, and we have not yet mentioned how displeasing that was to at least one woman)? Trying differently:
- ALT1: ... that when the ballet dancer Franziska Romana Koch (pictured on stage) sang in the opera Alceste which was composed for her, the librettist celebrated her in a poem? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
- Seems like that ALT might suggest that the celebrating poem happened during her performance. May want to say "celebrated Franziska Romana Koch's performance in Alceste in the poem "An Madame Koch" Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:37, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
- Really? Trying to include "performance" although I am not sure it was only that ;)
- ALT2: ... that after the ballet dancer Franziska Romana Koch (pictured on stage) sang in the opera Alceste which was composed for her, the librettist celebrated her performance in a poem? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:40, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
- Seems like that ALT might suggest that the celebrating poem happened during her performance. May want to say "celebrated Franziska Romana Koch's performance in Alceste in the poem "An Madame Koch" Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:37, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that when the ballet dancer Franziska Romana Koch (pictured on stage) sang in the opera Alceste which was composed for her, the librettist celebrated her in a poem? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 8 February 2017 (UTC)